Well they had display models of the Eclipses out, didn't like em, many many people saw me looking and shook their head no, and said "do what you want but I wouldn't buy it" One guy said after buying 5 Eclipses in 6 years he is done, never will buy another, he said he's had it with their crappy construction and HORRIBLE customer service, he said that they don't want to hear anything, you broke it and tough(that is when he said he could even find anyone who spoke english.) That doesn't sound like a company I want to hand over 700 bucks to. Say what you want but I interacted with a lot of people and EVERYONE felt this way. I work in the car industry and went to SEMA 2 years ago and that is the first time I heard of Eclipse, every dealer I spoke to said that they were for kids and aimed at the "gadget" crowd, lots of bells, whistles, and lights and not a penny into quality, one dealer even told me to buy Radio Shack because I would be better off. So trash talk me all you want but a few kids on the internet say one thing and about 50+ professional radio people say the exact opposite.........................who do you believe?