What is?

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That's why the talking points quickly shifted to it helping reduce severity...

Actually, it was (IMHO) politics that had some folks out there selling the vax as magic bullet. CDC's tracking all along showed that the vax was "partially effective."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Actually, it was (IMHO) politics that had some folks out there selling the vax as magic bullet. CDC's tracking all along showed that the vax was "partially effective."

Partially isn't preventing...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Actually you both have. Both of you keep siting statistics and claiming that people fair better because they got the vaccine. A statistic is not a medical procedure or test so explain how the statistics prove a vaccine caused, prevented or diagnosed an action or illness. Neither you or Rob or the statistical analyst can prove the vaccine stopped anyone from getting anything. All you can show is they took a vaccine. The vaccine didn't cure COVID, stop the transmission of COVID, prevent the catching of COVID. So to say you have or anyone has statistical proof that the vaccine prevented anything is useless for anything other than talking points.

Clearly stats show that the vaxxed population faired better than the unvaxxed. You can deny it all you want,but facts are facts. And going forward vaxxed people will suffer fewer symptoms, deaths hospitalization, etc. That’s just how vaccines work...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Clearly stats show that the vaxxed population faired better than the unvaxxed. You can deny it all you want,but facts are facts. And going forward vaxxed people will suffer fewer symptoms, deaths hospitalization, etc. That’s just how vaccines work...

It's not clear and never will be. The people that got the vaxx will never know how they would have dealt with COVID-19. They could have been just fine. Covid stats when it comes to people being better off with the vaxx are pointless and misleading.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

It's not clear and never will be. The people that got the vaxx will never know how they would have dealt with COVID-19. They could have been just fine. Covid stats when it comes to people being better off with the vaxx are pointless and misleading.

No they aren't. They clearly demonstrate that the vaxxed population faired better than the unvaxxed. You can deny it all want, but facts are facts and stats are stats.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

The statistics are data gathered from what actually happened In both control testing and real-world activity. Just like the flipping of a coin 1000 times. Do you really have no clue what statistics are and what they mean?

You keep insisting the statistics provide no legitimate information concerning vaccination efficacy, and have no value whatsoever. Once again, I’ll ask you to put your money where your mouth is let’s make a $1000 wager the money can go in escrow.

Do you really believe in your own words? Do you have the guts to bet money on your opinions? Let’s do it. $1000.

Go choke on a banana you clown. Explain how they rushed these stats while rushing an unproven and untested vaxx on the masses.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

No they aren't. They clearly demonstrate that the vaxxed population faired better than the unvaxxed. You can deny it all want, but facts are facts and stats are stats.

We will never know because we will never know how the vaccinated would have faired without the vaccines. There is no 100% mortality rate with the god damn virus.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

No they aren't. They clearly demonstrate that the vaxxed population faired better than the unvaxxed. You can deny it all want, but facts are facts and stats are stats.

How do you prove an individual didn't get as sick because of the vaccine?

 

[djdilliodon!]

How do you prove an individual didn't get as sick because of the vaccine?

Very good question .

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Hell, the mortality rate per 100,000 people in the US is 1.1% for COVID-19 per Johns Hopkins 2023.

14.3% per 100,000 car crashes.

 

[djdilliodon!]

Hell, the mortality rate per 100,000 people in the US is 1.1% for COVID-19 per Johns Hopkins 2023.

Remove those 65 and older and see what that number is.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Remove those 65 and older and see what that number is.

I know. My point is that a statistic is useless if you only have half the usable information. i.e the person who got the vaccine. How do we know what if anything would have happened if they didn't get the vaccine. We don't, can't.

 

[djdilliodon!]

I know. My point is that a statistic is useless if you only have half the usable information. i.e the person who got the vaccine. How do we know what if anything would have happened if they didn't get the vaccine. We don't, can't.

That’s exactly why the flu vaccine is useless lol. I see no point in taking something that can’t prevent you from being infected. That’s my opinion of course.