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Honestly this country doesn't have a revenue problem...there's way too much waste and fraud in the federal budget that needs to be cleared up before worrying about who needs to pay more...
 
Covid and covid vaccine death manipulation:

“In almost every death certificate that identifies a covid vaccine as a cause of death, the CDC committed data fraud by not assigning the ICD 10 code for vaccine side effects to the causes of death listed on the death certificate.”

“Any remotely objective person would presume that if a condition that occurred 7 months prior without any clear link to the actual death still nevertheless meets the standard for being identified as a CoD, then surely a condition or event that occurred a mere TEN HOURS before death identified by the doctor filling out the death certificate merits inclusion as a CoD.

“Another noteworthy tidbit here is the age of the decedents: every single one is a senior citizen, and the average age of the decedents is 80. This is important to highlight because whereas young people “dying suddenly” stands out, there has been much less attention or acknowledgement of the covid vaccine’s devastating toll upon the old and frail, where deaths – even those that occur in close proximity to vaccination – are readily attributed to prior health conditions.”

“The CDC manages many of the datasets that underpin whole fields of study. If the CDC is willing to fraudulently alter data (or even if the CDC is just too incompetent to avoid corrupting data), all data under the aegis of the CDC is potentially suspect, especially if it relates to a controversial political or social issue. The implications of this are disturbing, to say the least.”

 
Covid and covid vaccine death manipulation:

“In almost every death certificate that identifies a covid vaccine as a cause of death, the CDC committed data fraud by not assigning the ICD 10 code for vaccine side effects to the causes of death listed on the death certificate.”

“Any remotely objective person would presume that if a condition that occurred 7 months prior without any clear link to the actual death still nevertheless meets the standard for being identified as a CoD, then surely a condition or event that occurred a mere TEN HOURS before death identified by the doctor filling out the death certificate merits inclusion as a CoD.

“Another noteworthy tidbit here is the age of the decedents: every single one is a senior citizen, and the average age of the decedents is 80. This is important to highlight because whereas young people “dying suddenly” stands out, there has been much less attention or acknowledgement of the covid vaccine’s devastating toll upon the old and frail, where deaths – even those that occur in close proximity to vaccination – are readily attributed to prior health conditions.”

“The CDC manages many of the datasets that underpin whole fields of study. If the CDC is willing to fraudulently alter data (or even if the CDC is just too incompetent to avoid corrupting data), all data under the aegis of the CDC is potentially suspect, especially if it relates to a controversial political or social issue. The implications of this are disturbing, to say the least.”

Death certificates are public record. Why does the person have to "remain anonymous", and why are they posting interpretations of the death certificates instead of the actual certificates?

It's like using a reenactment of an alleged crime to decide if the defendant is guilty or not.

And, I'd like to see where and why they do a deep-dig on someone who dies from a gunshot wound, to determine that part of their COD is a "booster shot".
 
Max annual ROTH IRA contribution is $7000/year, so no your scenario isn't going to happen.

If Musk's stocks went up say $10b in 2021, he'd have to come up with a "measley" $2b (probably thru a stock sale). Furthermore, Musk's purchase of Twitter wouldn't have created that huge tax bill for him (like it did under current tax code) because his wealth didn't increase. Since Twitter lost value (as did Tesla), Musk can book loses and carry those forward to avoid taxes until he recovers his lost wealth. Such a tax system might actually lead to more purchases like the Twitter purchase which IMHO is a good thing. I'd rather have rich dudes making their socio-political statements in the market than via the purchase of politicians (not that Musk doesn't own politicians too). The stock market isn't going to collapse if the rich actually have to pay on the wealth they accumulate. Stock market prices ebb and flow with Fed Policy.
Thats contribution on a yearly bases not a portfolio rebalance. I had $150k in my 401k when Biden got elected and switched it to a Roth IRA. There are many other things one can do other than the stock market with much less risk that will earn you a good percentage yearly. Yes the stock market if it takes off the gains can be massive but that comes with alot more risk.

I just don’t see it working out. Especially if you are doing this for everyone. A person with a 9-5 that pays yearly taxes if they took a big enough loss in the stock market could essentially get all their money back on a return. I’d be game to try this theory out with those worth say $500 million in stocks or?
 
Or they can get citizenship in a country with a lower tax rate and move their wealth there...
Maybe not. To renounce US citizenship, they have to pay a tax on all unrealized gains, IRA, etc. Again, it appears any and all "non-socialist" want to do anything but tax the rich. It's a strange attitude. We have the best gov't money can buy, but the average joe fights tooth and nail to ensure those that benefit so greatly and corrupt the political system pay a minimal amount of taxes. It's not so much how to tax the rich, I can come up with a few different ways, but why is it that "we" don't want to tax the rich? Why are they so special that they shouldn't be taxed? The reap the rewards of living here, where politicians are USSC Justices are relatively cheap and they can write the laws by which they'll be governed (ie, Pfizer & Covid Vax). So why should they be allowed to shelter all their income and wealth from taxation?

 
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Maybe not. To renounce US citizenship, they have to pay a tax on all unrealized gains, IRA, etc. Again, it appears any and all "non-socialist" want to do anything but tax the rich. It's a strange attitude. We have the best gov't money can buy, but the average joe fights tooth and nail to ensure those that benefit so greatly and corrupt the political system pay a minimal amount of taxes.
Because any plan to tax the rich ends up hurting people that ain't...
 
Any plan our crooked politicians come up with ends up hurting people that aren't rich because their intent never was to tax the rich. So I guess the rich just have to go untaxed.
You basically have 2 somewhat realistic options do away with deductions and go with a flat tax or do away with income tax and do a national sales tax...either of those ways everyone pays their fair share...
 
Thats contribution on a yearly bases not a portfolio rebalance. I had $150k in my 401k when Biden got elected and switched it to a Roth IRA. There are many other things one can do other than the stock market with much less risk that will earn you a good percentage yearly. Yes the stock market if it takes off the gains can be massive but that comes with alot more risk.

I just don’t see it working out. Especially if you are doing this for everyone. A person with a 9-5 that pays yearly taxes if they took a big enough loss in the stock market could essentially get all their money back on a return. I’d be game to try this theory out with those worth say $500 million in stocks or?
You said Elon Musk; Elon's billions aren't sitting in a 401k.

I would probably exclude retirement accounts from taxation and the income calculation, so the average 9-5 guy isn't going to see much of a difference in his taxes during a down year in the market(s). Somebody that has been investing significantly outside their IRAs could have years they don't pay taxes, but they'd also have years they're paying taxes on appreciation. Personally, I don't like the idea of applying the tax to one group and not another, that's how the tax code became the disaster that it is and benefits one specific group at the expense of everybody else. I think the tax code should as simple and as flat as possible. The more complicated it gets, the more regressive it gets.
 
You said Elon Musk; Elon's billions aren't sitting in a 401k.

I would probably exclude retirement accounts from taxation and the income calculation, so the average 9-5 guy isn't going to see much of a difference in his taxes during a down year in the market(s). Somebody that has been investing significantly outside their IRAs could have years they don't pay taxes, but they'd also have years they're paying taxes on appreciation. Personally, I don't like the idea of applying the tax to one group and not another, that's how the tax code became the disaster that it is and benefits one specific group at the expense of everybody else. I think the tax code should as simple and as flat as possible. The more complicated it gets, the more regressive it gets.

we already have brackets but even if you made it flat across the board. You only pay taxes on what you make. It wouldn’t be fair to make people pay on what they aren’t making until they sell and realize the profit. Doing a national sales tax like a spokey said I think would work and we do away with federal taxes. Rich, middle, every class buys things on a daily basis and I think that way would be totally fair. I’d do that in a heart beat!
 
we already have brackets but even if you made it flat across the board. You only pay taxes on what you make. It wouldn’t be fair to make people pay on what they aren’t making until they sell and realize the profit. Doing a national sales tax like a spokey said I think would work and we do away with federal taxes. Rich, middle, every class buys things on a daily basis and I think that way would be totally fair. I’d do that in a heart beat!
Sales taxes are regressive in nature.
 
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