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[RobGMN Premium Member]

You know what's sad? Our personal freedoms are quickly fading away, including Rob's if he doesn't follow the government's narrative.

You haven’t the slightest clue about personal freedoms.
You’ve made it pretty obvious.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

What is your evidence that a vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of a virus?

Study finds gradual increase in covid infection risk after second vaccine dose - BMJ Group

Results confirm that protection wanes with time and suggest a third (booster) dose might be warranted A study published by The BMJ today finds a gradual increase in the risk of covid-19 infection from 90 days after receiving a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The study was carried out...

www.bmj.com

 

[moe3152]

Dear Rob,
What's obvious is you ignoring the people who lost their jobs for not getting a jab. Or the front line doctors who saved lives with alternatives to jabs and ventilators and had their careers destroyed by the CDC. You obviously think those weren't freedoms. Which fits right in with any authoritarian society. Boy it's good that you weren't around when they wrote the Bill of Rights.

Hey, here's an idea. Why don't you ask the computer nerd what he thinks personal freedoms are? After all, he is a self proclaimed expert on so many things. And you like him.

 

[SlugButter]

CDC director Walensky literal testified to congress that the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of Covid-19. There’s that……

 

[djdilliodon!]

What is your evidence that a vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of a virus?
Is this for all vaccines, or just the COVID vax?

Why do you consider the death of people over 65 inconsequential?
Why do you think it’s ok for for people to die simply because they have a pre-existing condition that makes COVID test much more deadly?

What is your evidence that a person being vaccinated “does nothing for others”? Is that for all vaxes, or just COVID?

Data, evidence, proof, please.

Don’t play dumb and have me waste my time showing links proving the covid vax doesn’t stop the spread. I think we all know from the line the left said at the start it stops the spread and quickly back tracked that after. Same with it stop you from getting covid. Even Jim77 is aware of this, I know that virtue is hard to let go of brother.

I never said the people over 65 years old don’t matter. They like anyone else could have been recommended the jab and they themselves on their own could have made the choice to get vaxxed. Same with those with pre existing conditions or for those with the virtue signaling cravings or those that are paranoid of their own shadow.

The data is out there the covid vaccine does nothing if you take it to help others and neither does the flu vaccine cause guess what? They haven’t been eradicated . Now to my knowledge the polio vaccine did just that but it’s a different kind of virus and that vaccine to get right took a long time. With all the doses it’s what 99-100% effective? That is worth taking and it was tested for well over a decade.

So for the last time I will ask this, why mandate a vaccine that doesn’t stop the spread? Let’s pretend we are talking hypothetically and not about the covid vaccine. I don’t want you to risk losing your virtue but I know you won’t answer this question cause if you do, that virtue is gone. I’ll hold my breath waiting for an answer

 

[moe3152]

You know he won't answer. Let me help him out. Drum roll please........the answer is "MONEY!" Lots and lots of money. And you and I and every other tax payer in this great country paid for it.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Don’t play dumb and have me waste my time showing links proving the covid vax doesn’t stop the spread. I think we all know from the line the left said at the start it stops the spread and quickly back tracked that after. Same with it stop you from getting covid. Even Jim77 is aware of this, I know that virtue is hard to let go of brother.

I never said the people over 65 years old don’t matter. They like anyone else could have been recommended the jab and they themselves on their own could have made the choice to get vaxxed. Same with those with pre existing conditions or for those with the virtue signaling cravings or those that are paranoid of their own shadow.

The data is out there the covid vaccine does nothing if you take it to help others and neither does the flu vaccine cause guess what? They haven’t been eradicated . Now to my knowledge the polio vaccine did just that but it’s a different kind of virus and that vaccine to get right took a long time. With all the doses it’s what 99-100% effective? That is worth taking and it was tested for well over a decade.

So for the last time I will ask this, why mandate a vaccine that doesn’t stop the spread? Let’s pretend we are talking hypothetically and not about the covid vaccine. I don’t want you to risk losing your virtue but I know you won’t answer this question cause if you do, that virtue is gone. I’ll hold my breath waiting for an answer

I think more accurately some people on the left oversold the vaccine's efficacy. Many people both left and right were pumping the brakes right out the gate. The "partial immunity" narrative was being circulate prior to vax being approved. Additionally, it's inaccurate to say taking the vax for others does nothing for others; clearly if a vaxxed person doesn't contract Covid then he can't pass it along. If I'm less sick due to the vax, then I shed less virus, which benefits those around me. The flu and covid will always be with us because the virus infects other mammals so there is alway a reservoir of virus out there that we can't eliminate.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Study finds gradual increase in covid infection risk after second vaccine dose - BMJ Group

Results confirm that protection wanes with time and suggest a third (booster) dose might be warranted A study published by The BMJ today finds a gradual increase in the risk of covid-19 infection from 90 days after receiving a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The study was carried out...

www.bmj.com

There is no such evidence in there.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Dear Rob,
What's obvious is you ignoring the people who lost their jobs for not getting a jab. Or the front line doctors who saved lives with alternatives to jabs and ventilators and had their careers destroyed by the CDC. You obviously think those weren't freedoms. Which fits right in with any authoritarian society. Boy it's good that you weren't around when they wrote the Bill of Rights.

Hey, here's an idea. Why don't you ask the computer nerd what he thinks personal freedoms are? After all, he is a self proclaimed expert on so many things. And you like him.

You’re introducing a red herring.
Try again. The people who have been here a while (at least most of them) don’t fall for that nonsense.

The argument for or against the efficacy of the vax has nothing to do with how businesses were impacted by the pandemic.
Try to stay on topic.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Don’t play dumb and have me waste my time showing links proving the covid vax doesn’t stop the spread. I think we all know from the line the left said at the start it stops the spread and quickly back tracked that after. Same with it stop you from getting covid. Even Jim77 is aware of this, I know that virtue is hard to let go of brother.

I never said the people over 65 years old don’t matter. They like anyone else could have been recommended the jab and they themselves on their own could have made the choice to get vaxxed. Same with those with pre existing conditions or for those with the virtue signaling cravings or those that are paranoid of their own shadow.

The data is out there the covid vaccine does nothing if you take it to help others and neither does the flu vaccine cause guess what? They haven’t been eradicated . Now to my knowledge the polio vaccine did just that but it’s a different kind of virus and that vaccine to get right took a long time. With all the doses it’s what 99-100% effective? That is worth taking and it was tested for well over a decade.

So for the last time I will ask this, why mandate a vaccine that doesn’t stop the spread? Let’s pretend we are talking hypothetically and not about the covid vaccine. I don’t want you to risk losing your virtue but I know you won’t answer this question cause if you do, that virtue is gone. I’ll hold my breath waiting for an answer

Ahhh, don’t “waste your time” asking you to prove a claim you’ve made. A claim that has been handily disproved millions of times over.

No, I’ll feel free to waste your time.
Go ahead and prove your claims that vaccines don’t stop the spread of disease.

BTW, the polio vax was tested on Salk’s family for a year, then on 1.6M Canadians for a year based on the results of Salk’s family test. Then it was approved.
2 years total.
Due to a pandemic that killed 3,000 people.
Not 10 years.
Don’t make false statements to support your already false narrative.

And your hypothetical doesn’t merit an answer, because it’s based on a nonsensical premise: That a vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of disease.
It’s been known since the 1800s that vaccines DO stop the spread.

Your hypothetical might as well say “if the vaccine saved your life but took away the eyesight of someone in Namibia, would you do it?”. Ridiculous.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

And your hypothetical doesn’t merit an answer, because it’s based on a nonsensical premise: That a vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of disease.
It’s been known since the 1800s that vaccines DO stop the spread.

Your hypothetical might as well say “if the vaccine saved your life but took away the eyesight of someone in Namibia, would you do it?”. Ridiculous.

Hmm…let’s use Rob clown logic here…if vaccines do stop the spread, and covid shots don’t stop the spread, then covid shots aren’t vaccines

‘DR. FAUCI: One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection, they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death. And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in protecting me from progressing to severe disease….’

Fauci admits that COVID-19 vaccines do not protect 'overly well' against infection

White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci expounded on COVID-19 vaccines' efficacy and breakthrough COVID infections Tuesday on "Your World."

www.foxnews.com

 

[djdilliodon!]

Ahhh, don’t “waste your time” asking you to prove a claim you’ve made. A claim that has been handily disproved millions of times over.

No, I’ll feel free to waste your time.
Go ahead and prove your claims that vaccines don’t stop the spread of disease.

BTW, the polio vax was tested on Salk’s family for a year, then on 1.6M Canadians for a year based on the results of Salk’s family test. Then it was approved.
2 years total.
Due to a pandemic that killed 3,000 people.
Not 10 years.
Don’t make false statements to support your already false narrative.

And your hypothetical doesn’t merit an answer, because it’s based on a nonsensical premise: That a vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of disease.
It’s been known since the 1800s that vaccines DO stop the spread.

Your hypothetical might as well say “if the vaccine saved your life but took away the eyesight of someone in Namibia, would you do it?”. Ridiculous.

Ok no problem https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...S-CoV-2-virions-even-if-COVID-vaccinated.aspx

Let me read again about polio cause it’s been a long time. My memory says that it took them over a decade to perfect it. If I got it wrong that is my bad. I know I’m not wrong about the shedding of virus between vaccinated and unvaccinated. How is that virtue feeling? Will you answer my question now? Let me also be very clear here. It’s common sense that if a vaccine triggers antibodies that you shouldn’t get as sick as before if you get the same exact virus. I’m not arguing about that part of the vaccine. All I’m stating is mandating it was wrong, me getting it didn’t do anything for anyone else, it was only for myself. I felt I didn’t need it, I got covid, it wasn’t bad at all and I’m glad I didn’t get the shot.

Edited to add, yep I was wrong on polio. It took him 7 years to develop it.

 

[djdilliodon!]

I think more accurately some people on the left oversold the vaccine's efficacy. Many people both left and right were pumping the brakes right out the gate. The "partial immunity" narrative was being circulate prior to vax being approved. Additionally, it's inaccurate to say taking the vax for others does nothing for others; clearly if a vaxxed person doesn't contract Covid then he can't pass it along. If I'm less sick due to the vax, then I shed less virus, which benefits those around me. The flu and covid will always be with us because the virus infects other mammals so there is alway a reservoir of virus out there that we can't eliminate.

I’ll be the first to say that you I feel are right in the middle, that you tell it like it is honestly and that you don’t have true biased on one side or the other. I seen many of the tests on viral load of vaxed and not vaxed. Early test showed a small difference or a decent amount but the sampling was so small you can’t put it as gospel. The test i linked above was the largest sampling I could find and it determined there is no difference.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

There is no such evidence in there.

Certainly a misleading headline. Kinda reminds me of (IIRC) Dr Campbells youtube videos. He never lies but he does present information in a way that the anti-vax crowd can run hog wild with it. Unfortunately, 1/2 the facts is more than enough for many people or in this case just the headline. I wouldn't be surprised if it was purposely worded that way so it could "go viral."

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I’ll be the first to say that you I feel are right in the middle, that you tell it like it is honestly and that you don’t have true biased on one side or the other. I seen many of the tests on viral load of vaxed and not vaxed. Early test showed a small difference or a decent amount but the sampling was so small you can’t put it as gospel. The test i linked above was the largest sampling I could find and it determined there is no difference.

It's not so much that I'm in the middle. Politically, I'm more of Socialist Democrat (ie Netherlands, Denmark, etc). I don't care where people fall politically, that's a personal choice. What bothers me is the misinformation, disinformation, lies, half truths, etc. Decide what you want on the issues, but I just think those decisions should be based on facts. Unfortunately, most of the news networks barely qualify as news and usually function more like propaganda outlets. The internet is often worse than traditional media outlets.

Part of the issue with the data on Covid is you have the original variant, the delta variant and now the Omicron variant and the data is all mixed together. The Delta peak is one of the things that motivated me to get vaxxed. When Delta was kicking @$$ and taking names the data clearly indicated it was a good idea to be vaxxed (drastically lower hospitalization and death rates). OTOH, Omicron is quite effective at circumventing the vax, so we've gone from a highly effective vax to one that is marginally effective and the virus is no longer as dangerous as it once was.