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[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

So if you didn't get the vax and got COVID, you die? How am I still alive then?

I think they should have studied the bodies natural immunity to COVID before rushing into a vaccine. At that point they could see how the body fought it naturally and replicated that. Like I said, the second time I got COVID I didn't know I even had it.

The vax was supposed to kill me in 2 years. Neither of us should be alive.

 

[SlugButter]

He obviously did, but gave a deep explanation of why your examples mean nothing in the context of whether getting a vax helps others.

In both situations you described, the actors do something virtuous, but not EVERYTHING they do is virtuous. So, that must make BOTH of them non-virtuous people.
Or BOTH of them virtuous people.

In the meantime, have you reported this relative for committing fraud? That would be a virtuous thing to do.

I don’t report family to authorities. We take care of our own issues. We for sure do have different virtues.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

What is the rule that it should take 5-12 years? Is it written?

And "the risks"?
How come a 1% death rate when talking about 330,000,000 potentially infected people is "nothing" (we lost 1.1 Million to COVID), but a vaccine that may cause the death of .00002% of people who take it (potential of 6,600 people) is a horrow show?

That seems to be a very selective concern to me.

Agreed. Lets be honest, if the anti-vaxxers true concern was saving people lives/health, then they would have to switch sides. The only way to make the Covid vax look bad is to ignore the damage wrought by actual Covid. That said, now that the Omicron variant is here, I don't see the need for expensive vaccine programs; treat covid like we treat the flu.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Lots of fluff so let me keep on the point and the point only. The covid vaccine was made to reduce the chances of hospitalization, death, and long covid for the person who gets it. That is all, nothing more. In the beginning some tried to peddle it prevented you from getting the virus and spreading it. That isn’t true, it’s the same with the flu vaccine, if the flu vaccine prevented spread and a person getting the virus it would be eradicated. Covid and the flu are not polio or like other viruses. Some viruses can be eradicated and that is why it’s mandatory to get a vaccine that is capable of doing that. You are beating around the bush here, the bottom line is you get a covid vaccine for yourself, not to save others but to save yourself. If you want to believe the vaccine prevents a person from getting the virus and spreading it, you need to say it’s your opinion, cause it most certainly isn’t a fact. I’m not an antivaxxer, it’s clear vaccines do work but we can’t pretend a vaccine does something it doesn’t. This is why I mentioned virtue in the first place cause I never said it does nothing I never said it doesn’t work. I said it doesn’t prevent spread or a person from getting it. You not understanding that and even after proof is shown, the only reason I could think of why you want to die on this hill is simply cause of virtue.

Can you provide the data source you are utilizing in order to make this claim?
I am interested in how they set out to prevent long COVID before they even knew it existed.
I am interested in a a vaccine being designed to not work like every other vaccine does (help prevent one person from getting sick, thereby helping prevent person-person transmission).
I am interested in why eradication would not be a goal for COVID, when it is for every other vaccine (BTW - smallpox is the ONLY virus to be considered eradicated at this time).

If I am not in the group that is "affected by COVID" (over 65, co-morbidities, etc, etc, etc), then why would taking the shot NOT be for the benefit of others? If it's of no benefit to me, then why would I take it?
The anti-vax arguments defeat themselves.

You keep insisting a vax doesn't prevent the spread or someone from getting it (yes, we know that it is indirect. That's how vaccines work), but your repetition doesn't make your false claim true.
There is literally TONS of data to show you are wrong.
Your "data" is your personal claim, which is of zero value in the face of medical science and statistics, TBH.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

If they tested and proved widespread efficacy, they don't have to do the tests all over again unless they are changing the vax or there is a significant change in the subjects the vax is administered to.
What other vaccine that is in current use do they do complete efficacy studies on when the vaccine hasn't changed?
I'm not sure what you are asking for that I haven't shown you. Most of the things you have asked for are under the presumption that vaccines do not work, which is obviously a non-starter.

Actually you're missing one important variable - the virus changing. Omicron becoming the dominant strain clearly reduced the efficacy of the vax. Luckily Omicron is something we can live with because between natural immunity, the vax and Omicron's lower lethality it's not wiping out 1% of the population. Of course some people tend to forget that one of the reasons Covid/Omicron is becoming less and less lethal is because of built up immunity from previous infections and the vax.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

I don’t report family to authorities. We take care of our own issues. We for sure do have different virtues.

So you made him report the income and pay his child support and retro child support?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

So you made him report the income and pay his child support and retro child support?

Uh...secretary Rob is putting on his crime fighting cape

 

[djdilliodon!]

Can you provide the data source you are utilizing in order to make this claim?
I am interested in how they set out to prevent long COVID before they even knew it existed.
I am interested in a a vaccine being designed to not work like every other vaccine does (help prevent one person from getting sick, thereby helping prevent person-person transmission).
I am interested in why eradication would not be a goal for COVID, when it is for every other vaccine (BTW - smallpox is the ONLY virus to be considered eradicated at this time).

If I am not in the group that is "affected by COVID" (over 65, co-morbidities, etc, etc, etc), then why would taking the shot NOT be for the benefit of others? If it's of no benefit to me, then why would I take it?
The anti-vax arguments defeat themselves.

You keep insisting a vax doesn't prevent the spread or someone from getting it (yes, we know that it is indirect. That's how vaccines work), but your repetition doesn't make your false claim true.
There is literally TONS of data to show you are wrong.
Your "data" is your personal claim, which is of zero value in the face of medical science and statistics, TBH.

Then show me the data . Not all viruses can be stopped by a vaccine. How you don’t understand this is getting to be comical at this point. People who gets vaccinated still get the virus. That is proof in itself. Due to the amount of death and hospitalizations, that is what they made the vaccine for. To prevent death and hospitalization as much as possible and the numbers in efficacy show that. Doesn’t show that with transmission or a person contracting the virus. The USA has eradicated more than one virus. Other countries haven’t and people travel so small amounts of cases do happen. You can easily Google this as I did and see the list for yourself.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What is the rule that it should take 5-12 years? Is it written?

And "the risks"?
How come a 1% death rate when talking about 330,000,000 potentially infected people is "nothing" (we lost 1.1 Million to COVID), but a vaccine that may cause the death of .00002% of people who take it (potential of 6,600 people) is a horrow show?

That seems to be a very selective concern to me.

Prove the 1% death rate

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Yeah, let this guy fund Chinese virus research, fund the WHO, and make your vaccines (the dude who did business with epstein after he was a convicted child pimp):

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

It makes no sense why people can’t sue vaccine manufacturers for a product harming someone. Idk if any other medical thing that works like this, seems like a complete scam not to able to sue someone who hurts you, especially when many were forced to take this and many very high ranking “experts” said the vaccines were and are safe:

‘With her medical bills mounting and her condition not improving, Fox sought compensation for her damaged health. Federal liability protections prevent the vaccine-injured from directly suing vaccine manufacturers like Johnson & Johnson. Instead, claimants have to go to the federal government for compensation.’

‘Before the pandemic, this program received a little over 500 claims and had paid out compensation to only 30 people – mostly for H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine injuries. In just the past two years, it has been asked to make decisions on over 10,000 injury claims related to COVID countermeasures.’

‘“It’s a very pro-vaccine community,” says Christopher Dreisbach, the group’s legal affairs director. “You say anything about vaccine injuries, you’re branded as anti-vaxxers. We are pro-science, we are not political. We’re just dealing with a very politicized issue.”

Laid Low by the COVID Vaccine, Now They've Got a Bad Case of Federal Unresponsiveness

By Christian Britschgi, RealClearInvestigationsJune 28, 2023 In April 2021, Adele Fox received a single shot of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. Within a few hours, the 60-year-old resident of

realclearwire.com

Because the vax is voluntary and people are told in advance that there are potential side effects.

It’s pretty straightforward. Now, if the vax was defective and the mfgr knew and covered it up or ignored it, a lawsuit for injury would make sense.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

They rolled out the EUA COVID vaccines with hardly any oversight, either. Seems like the studies that were done to prove early safety were completely done by the vaccine manufacturer…just saying…it’s not like Pfizer holds the record for the biggest healthcare fraud settlement ever from lying about its products, like they’ve done several times, which lead to the deaths of adults and children from their lies…I’m sure you can trust their study on their own vaccines…

True. I would rather trust Joe Rogan, who is telling me to take horse dewormer, with no efficacy studies whatsoever.

Excellent choices.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Uh...secretary Rob is putting on his crime fighting cape

So, you complain about their lack of “virtue”, but take no action to stop it.
Good hypocrisy there.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Then show me the data . Not all viruses can be stopped by a vaccine. How you don’t understand this is getting to be comical at this point. People who gets vaccinated still get the virus. That is proof in itself. Due to the amount of death and hospitalizations, that is what they made the vaccine for. To prevent death and hospitalization as much as possible and the numbers in efficacy show that. Doesn’t show that with transmission or a person contracting the virus. The USA has eradicated more than one virus. Other countries haven’t and people travel so small amounts of cases do happen. You can easily Google this as I did and see the list for yourself.

That’s not a source of your claims. Claims that contradict medical science and medical experts worldwide, not to mention statistics on tens of billions of administered vaccines.

If you want to dispute that stuff, it’s incumbent on you to provide proof. It’s not incumbent on us to give you proof of something that is already accepted fact.

So, go ahead and prove your claims about the goals that were set in creating this vax.
If you can’t, then it’s just ******** you’re spewing.

 

[djdilliodon!]

That’s not a source of your claims. Claims that contradict medical science and medical experts worldwide, not to mention statistics on tens of billions of administered vaccines.

If you want to dispute that stuff, it’s incumbent on you to provide proof. It’s not incumbent on us to give you proof of something that is already accepted fact.

So, go ahead and prove your claims about the goals that were set in creating this vax.
If you can’t, then it’s just ******** you’re spewing.

I just googled why was the covid vax made (wasted my time yet again as I’ve seen from the cdc why it was developed). Why don’t you do it now and see for yourself . I’ll give you a hint, to allow your body to produce antibodies so if you get it, it reduces your chances of serious complications like being hospitalized or death. We arent talking about all vaccines, some actually can prevent you from being infected but it all depends on the virus. How are you not understanding this . The reason why you refuse to post a single thing stating as fact with numbers to support your claim that it prevents you from getting the virus and spreading it is simply cause it doesn’t exist. Again breakthrough infections, that’s a person vaccinated still getting the virus. Now they don’t even talk about it cause so many of those have been seen and is why they longer will say it’s to prevent you from getting or spreading the virus. Vaccines work brother, just no one taking the covid vax is doing it to save others, it’s to potentially save themselves. You said above that’s why it’s a persons choice to be vaxed. Then why mandate it? Why mandate something you know won’t stop it in its tracks? It’s simple, it’s cause it all become political. Now, not even the Biden administration cares about it . I’m gonna do you a favor though since I’m in a good mood. I know the virtue you are clinging to is very important to you. I want to thank you for being so brave as a man, taking that awful needle in your arm just for me and everyone else here and all over the world. Even though I had covid and i was fine, maybe I wouldn’t have been if it wasn’t for you. Thank you for that, and I hope others in this thread will also do the same .

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

True. I would rather trust Joe Rogan, who is telling me to take horse dewormer, with no efficacy studies whatsoever.

Excellent choices.

Funny you keep repeating that talking point...it's almost like you have no clue it's people medicine too...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

So, you complain about their lack of “virtue”, but take no action to stop it.
Good hypocrisy there.

Show me where I complained about that...or quit making sh!t up

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

I don’t report family to authorities. We take care of our own issues. We for sure do have different virtues.

I think that's different morals not virtues.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

True. I would rather trust Joe Rogan, who is telling me to take horse dewormer, with no efficacy studies whatsoever.

Excellent choices.

They have done efficacy studies. No meaningful benefit. If there were credible studies that said Ivermectin works against Covid, Merck would have started clinicals the next day.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]