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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

This is a very good look at how our corrupt gov used media corporations to censor our speech to completely brainwash people about covid and vaccines for power and money. This type of gov mentality is what you see in horrible totalitarian states, like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but on a scale that couldn’t have happened back then. This is extremely dangerous and evil for our gov to be doing, and everyone should be against this, because they’ll use these methods to censor anyone from talking about anything they want:

‘Twitter Files’: Ivy League Prof With No Science or Medical Credentials Advised Biden on COVID ‘Misinformation’

In “Twitter Files” documents publicized June 14, investigative journalist Paul D. Thacker revealed that Claire Wardle, Ph.D., a professor of the practice of Health Services, Policy and Practice at Brown University, advised Biden officials and social media giants as they sought to censor content...

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

This is a very good look at how our corrupt gov used media corporations to censor our speech to completely brainwash people about covid and vaccines for power and money. This type of gov mentality is what you see in horrible totalitarian states, like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but on a scale that couldn’t have happened back then. This is extremely dangerous and evil for our gov to be doing, and everyone should be against this, because they’ll use these methods to censor anyone from talking about anything they want:

‘Twitter Files’: Ivy League Prof With No Science or Medical Credentials Advised Biden on COVID ‘Misinformation’

In “Twitter Files” documents publicized June 14, investigative journalist Paul D. Thacker revealed that Claire Wardle, Ph.D., a professor of the practice of Health Services, Policy and Practice at Brown University, advised Biden officials and social media giants as they sought to censor content...

childrenshealthdefense.org

And here is your source:
Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine disinformation and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.
Founded under the name World Mercury Project in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water. The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation.
Arguments against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Go honk your nose, clown.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

This is a very good look at how our corrupt gov used media corporations to censor our speech to completely brainwash people about covid and vaccines for power and money. This type of gov mentality is what you see in horrible totalitarian states, like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but on a scale that couldn’t have happened back then. This is extremely dangerous and evil for our gov to be doing, and everyone should be against this, because they’ll use these methods to censor anyone from talking about anything they want:

‘Twitter Files’: Ivy League Prof With No Science or Medical Credentials Advised Biden on COVID ‘Misinformation’

In “Twitter Files” documents publicized June 14, investigative journalist Paul D. Thacker revealed that Claire Wardle, Ph.D., a professor of the practice of Health Services, Policy and Practice at Brown University, advised Biden officials and social media giants as they sought to censor content...

childrenshealthdefense.org

Really? Again, I'd like to see what was censored that doesn't qualify as dis/misinformation - ie Russell Brand's videos stay on Youtube, Dr Campbell's (iirc) videos remain on youtube. RFK's videos get pulled. That said I don't support the censorship, but is the elimination of disinformation from SOME platforms really put us on the doorstep of becoming Nazi Germany? I don't think so.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Really? Again, I'd like to see what was censored that doesn't qualify as dis/misinformation - ie Russell Brand's videos stay on Youtube, Dr Campbell's (iirc) videos remain on youtube. RFK's videos get pulled. That said I don't support the censorship, but is the elimination of disinformation from SOME platforms really put us on the doorstep of becoming Nazi Germany? I don't think so.

And Buck is STILL confused that private websites get to say what gets posted/shared (or not) on their website.
I bet he thinks Lamar HAS to put up any and every billboard that a customer demands of them.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

And Buck is STILL confused that private websites get to say what gets posted/shared (or not) on their website.
I bet he thinks Lamar HAS to put up any and every billboard that a customer demands of them.

I think he has a legitimate point in that one could argue that youtube, twitter, etc are now "the town square" and the gov't was involved in the censorship.

 

[Firewalker]

I don't get the soldiers suing/bitching about the vax. We are constantly getting vaxxed and carry around experimental bio/chemical antidotes for use in case of bio/chemical warfare attack. That said IIRC the US Military is letting personnel who seperated over the vax to rejoin the military.

Agreed every solider knows what they signed up for when they joined the military. They know they are going to get a ton of vaccines before they enter boot camp. Same with being a Firefighter/EMT. Before you are allowed to go out on calls you get every single vaccine that someone who joins the US Military gets to a T. And every few years if you are still active with said dept or another dept you get boosters. Why does a Firefighter/EMT get those same vaccines? Simple because 1. You can be called to an active Military Base. 2. You can be sent into a Military Operation to evacuate or treat patients or to search rubble for survivors. 3. Perfect example of this is Ukraine. Firefighters and EMT's are on the frontlines daily doing those exact actions trying to save people.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

I think he has a legitimate point in that one could argue that youtube, twitter, etc are now "the town square" and the gov't was involved in the censorship.

One could argue that, except the user agreement says it is not a free-for-all space. The user explicitly agrees that their words/posts can and will be censored by Facebook as they deem necessary.
Unlike a town square, F/B could decide tomorrow to shut off all the servers and the members would be left looking at a 404 Error page.

The gov't could certainly have told F/B and others to censor (which is a no-no), but it would still be up to the priavte entities to comply. The gov't doesn't control the website code.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Agreed every solider knows what they signed up for when they joined the military. They know they are going to get a ton of vaccines before they enter boot camp. Same with being a Firefighter/EMT. Before you are allowed to go out on calls you get every single vaccine that someone who joins the US Military gets to a T. And every few years if you are still active with said dept or another dept you get boosters. Why does a Firefighter/EMT get those same vaccines? Simple because 1. You can be called to an active Military Base. 2. You can be sent into a Military Operation to evacuate or treat patients or to search rubble for survivors. 3. Perfect example of this is Ukraine. Firefighters and EMT's are on the frontlines daily doing those exact actions trying to save people.

So, in the USA (idk about Canada), it’s illegal to mandate any product under an EUA usage/approval.

21 U.S. Code § 360bbb–3 - Authorization for medical products for use in emergencies:​

(ii) Appropriate conditions designed to ensure that individuals to whom the product is administered are informed —

(I) that the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] has authorized the emergency use of the product;

(II) of the significant known and potential benefits and risks of such use, and of the extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown; and

(III) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.

21 U.S. Code § 360bbb-3 - Authorization for medical products for use in emergencies

www.law.cornell.edu

Read this if you’re confused:

https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Letter-in-Response-to-DOJ-Slip-Opinion-Released-on-July-26-2021.pdf

So, all covid vaccines were only approved under EUA, which means it’s illegal to mandate them. It’s, also, not smart for the military to be given experimental shots in mass, where the full side effects have not been studied or revealed, because not enough time has passed and bad unknown and known side effects may cripple readiness or performance of our armed services. The law specifically says medical products authorized for emergency use can be refused and that no consequences should be applied towards any individual refusing the product.

All covid vaccines now are still approved under EUA, if you click on each individual vaccine:

COVID-19 Vaccines

The FDA has regulatory processes in place to facilitate the development of COVID-19 vaccines that meet the FDA's rigorous scientific standards.

www.fda.gov

I find it stupid and extremely worrying people can’t understand a simple thing, not trying to target you, like understanding why an experimental or not fully licensed product can’t be mandated.

There’s another pandemic coming…are we all going to fall for the same traps, again?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Sad

Super active mother-of-two 'left in wheelchair after third Covid jab'

Sydney woman Mel Guevremont, 37, has gone from being a keen gym-goer, surfer, snow-boarder, and rock-climber to barely being able to take a few steps around her home before her legs give out.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[djdilliodon!]

The study said that vaccinated people had lower shedding values than the unvaccinated.

But it also leaves out some additional facts about shedding that are very important to determining whether a vax helps reduce it:
1. The sicker a person is, the more they shed the virus. The vaccine has been proved to reduce the severity of illness, ergo vaccinated people do not get AS sick if they get it, so they shed less.
2. The test didn't take into account the severity of illness or the timeframe for the participants. It simply indicated they reported being sick.
3. The test doesn't account for the number of people that never contracted the virus at all because they are vaccinated. People who do not get infected do not shed the virus.

A while back, Jimi (I believe) shared the statistical data of how even small reductions in viral shedding and viral (?)load can have a large impact. It's basically the revers calculation of the old "She told two friends, and they told two friends, and soon, and so on..."
If you recall, there was a LOT of discussion in the early about keeping one's circle small in order to reduce the transmission. Whena vaccination helps a person not get the infection, it's similar results to keeping the circle small.

I edited my last comment to add this as I was driving when I just did emojis. I don’t want you thinking i didn’t have a response.

I think you need to read again my friend. We all know the vaccine does nothing to prevent you from getting covid. Don’t wanna repeat myself on how from the start they said it would block it and then had to back track or how people shed less and they did these tests on a tiny amount of people. We all know its purpose was to prevent death or being hospitalized . This test clearly states there is no difference and that none pharmaceutical protocols are the best way to prevent infection and spread. Some quotes from what you supposedly read:

“Individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 despite full vaccination have low Ct values and shed similar amounts of infectious virus as unvaccinated individuals”.

“We found no discernible correlation between Ct values in infected individuals and vaccination status. Irrespective of whether they had symptoms at the time of testing, vaccinated persons had low Ct values, with Ct values less than 25 being found in 65% of symptomatic unvaccinated individuals and in 70% of completely vaccinated symptomatic patients”.

That vaccine is for yourself. Let that virtue go, when a vaccine eradicates covid or the flu and you get both, you can get that virtue back. Even the CDC website says its purpose is to prevent the long term complications some people may experience, hospitalization or death. It does not say it’s to prevent the spread of covid or to give you immunity from getting covid.

 

[djdilliodon!]

I think he has a legitimate point in that one could argue that youtube, twitter, etc are now "the town square" and the gov't was involved in the censorship.

Agreed. I will say that if it’s privately owned or if it’s a publicly traded company even if someone owns 51% or more of the shares, they can remove what they want but they shouldn’t have section 230 protections. You moderate only what you want you are a publisher and those protections should not apply. So if you are deleting something from one side but you allow untrue slander from the other, you can now be sued. You will see how fast they won’t play that game anymore. It would then be totally fair.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

I edited my last comment to add this as I was driving when I just did emojis. I don’t want you thinking i didn’t have a response.

I think you need to read again my friend. We all know the vaccine does nothing to prevent you from getting covid. Don’t wanna repeat myself on how from the start they said it would block it and then had to back track or how people shed less and they did these tests on a tiny amount of people. We all know its purpose was to prevent death or being hospitalized . This test clearly states there is no difference and that none pharmaceutical protocols are the best way to prevent infection and spread. Some quotes from what you supposedly read:

“Individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 despite full vaccination have low Ct values and shed similar amounts of infectious virus as unvaccinated individuals”.

“We found no discernible correlation between Ct values in infected individuals and vaccination status. Irrespective of whether they had symptoms at the time of testing, vaccinated persons had low Ct values, with Ct values less than 25 being found in 65% of symptomatic unvaccinated individuals and in 70% of completely vaccinated symptomatic patients”.

That vaccine is for yourself. Let that virtue go, when a vaccine eradicates covid or the flu and you get both, you can get that virtue back. Even the CDC website says its purpose is to prevent the long term complications some people may experience, hospitalization or death. It does not say it’s to prevent the spread of covid or to give you immunity from getting covid.

Looks like CDC is not claiming there is a reduction in viral shedding (I wonder if that is unique to Omicron). That said, it doesn't change the fact that when many of us were getting the vax in 2021, the assumption was it would reduce spread of Covid. One of my motivating factors was my parents refusal to vax, I didn't want to transmit it to them and potentially kill my own parents.

 

[djdilliodon!]

Looks like CDC is not claiming there is a reduction in viral shedding (I wonder if that is unique to Omicron). That said, it doesn't change the fact that when many of us were getting the vax in 2021, the assumption was it would reduce spread of Covid. One of my motivating factors was my parents refusal to vax, I didn't want to transmit it to them and potentially kill my own parents.

And at the time, I don’t blame you at all for getting it. I know people personally who got it just for that reason to play it safe. Those people are very pissed now but to late to do anything about it. My point in all of this is that some going around today thinking by getting the jab they saved humanity, and if they want to believe that it’s fine as long as you own it. It’s the mandates that should have never happened. That is the part that bothered me. There was no reason to do that at all.

 

[SlugButter]

Looks like CDC is not claiming there is a reduction in viral shedding (I wonder if that is unique to Omicron). That said, it doesn't change the fact that when many of us were getting the vax in 2021, the assumption was it would reduce spread of Covid. One of my motivating factors was my parents refusal to vax, I didn't want to transmit it to them and potentially kill my own parents.

You wouldn’t have killed your own parents, a virus would have. I see what you’re saying, but you shouldn’t have to carry that guilt around if it had happened. Viruses exist, and making your body strong is the only real defense. You could blame yourself for anything. How much money do you think that fear you had for your parents lives is worth to a drug company? And, how much trust do you have, given the track record of big pharma and our corrupted government, that your fear and the fear of 300 million other people wouldn’t be used for profit and votes?

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

You wouldn’t have killed your own parents, a virus would have. I see what you’re saying, but you shouldn’t have to carry that guilt around if it had happened. Viruses exist, and making your body strong is the only real defense. You could blame yourself for anything. How much money do you think that fear you had for your parents lives is worth to a drug company? And, how much trust do you have, given the track record of big pharma and our corrupted government, that your fear and the fear of 300 million other people wouldn’t be used for profit and votes?

It would be my fault if I could have gotten a vax to prevent it. Just like we don't go over is somebody's sick. I'm not sure what you mean at the end there, clearly Covid was used to get votes, being anti-mask/vax was used to get votes. Heck the fellas running for President even found a different way to sell the vax so they could both get votes from it.

 

[SlugButter]

It would be my fault if I could have gotten a vax to prevent it. Just like we don't go over is somebody's sick. I'm not sure what you mean at the end there, clearly Covid was used to get votes, being anti-mask/vax was used to get votes. Heck the fellas running for President even found a different way to sell the vax so they could both get votes from it.

I’m assuming they have the choice to get their own vaccination though. Everyone has choices, I just don’t believe passive choices like this one should be a source of fear or guilt. You NOT doing something to your own autonomous body isn’t really something you should question. It’s your body and you not doing something to it isn’t harming anyone. Outside your body is different in my view. If you decide to watch the big football game and not fix your brakes, then lend your car to your mom and the brakes fail and kill her, then it’s a guilt that’s justifiable and a fear that should have prompted you to fix the brakes before lending out the car. That’s a passive decision that you had direct control over.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

I’m assuming they have the choice to get their own vaccination though. Everyone has choices, I just don’t believe passive choices like this one should be a source of fear or guilt. You NOT doing something to your own autonomous body isn’t really something you should question. It’s your body and you not doing something to it isn’t harming anyone. Outside your body is different in my view. If you decide to watch the big football game and not fix your brakes, then lend your car to your mom and the brakes fail and kill her, then it’s a guilt that’s justifiable and a fear that should have prompted you to fix the brakes before lending out the car. That’s a passive decision that you had direct control over.

Whatever I do or don't to my body is something I should question whether for my benefit, the benefit of others or my detriment or the detriment of others. Why should ignore 1/2 the equation? I'm definitely against ignoring 1/2 the equation when it comes to anything.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Whatever I do or don't to my body is something I should question whether for my benefit, the benefit of others or my detriment or the detriment of others. Why should ignore 1/2 the equation? I'm definitely against ignoring 1/2 the equation when it comes to anything.

What if who you’re trying to help doesn’t give 2 shits about your virtue signaling? Is it not pretentious to think you know what’s for the benefit or detriment of someone else?

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

I edited my last comment to add this as I was driving when I just did emojis. I don’t want you thinking i didn’t have a response.

I think you need to read again my friend. We all know the vaccine does nothing to prevent you from getting covid. Don’t wanna repeat myself on how from the start they said it would block it and then had to back track or how people shed less and they did these tests on a tiny amount of people. We all know its purpose was to prevent death or being hospitalized . This test clearly states there is no difference and that none pharmaceutical protocols are the best way to prevent infection and spread. Some quotes from what you supposedly read:

“Individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 despite full vaccination have low Ct values and shed similar amounts of infectious virus as unvaccinated individuals”.

“We found no discernible correlation between Ct values in infected individuals and vaccination status. Irrespective of whether they had symptoms at the time of testing, vaccinated persons had low Ct values, with Ct values less than 25 being found in 65% of symptomatic unvaccinated individuals and in 70% of completely vaccinated symptomatic patients”.

That vaccine is for yourself. Let that virtue go, when a vaccine eradicates covid or the flu and you get both, you can get that virtue back. Even the CDC website says its purpose is to prevent the long term complications some people may experience, hospitalization or death. It does not say it’s to prevent the spread of covid or to give you immunity from getting covid.

“We all know the vaccine does nothing to prevent COVID”?
Who is this “we”, and why haven’t they explained this to the entire medical community?
If you are part of the “we”, what are your credentials?

Sorry, but that ridiculous claim alone thoroughly nullifies anything you have to say about the subject.

 

[djdilliodon!]

“We all know the vaccine does nothing to prevent COVID”?
Who is this “we”, and why haven’t they explained this to the entire medical community?
If you are part of the “we”, what are your credentials?

Sorry, but that ridiculous claim alone thoroughly nullifies anything you have to say about the subject.

The cdc bruh along with others. how about you show me some evidence the shot prevents someone from getting covid. I’ve done enough to prove my point and it’s obvious to anyone reading this that the virtue you cling to is pathetic, pathetic to a point that you can’t even admit it which makes me truly feel sorry for you. It’s like a male transitioning to a female and thinking now he really is a female. Your delusion doesn’t need to apply to anyone but yourself. I add the quotes from the article and obviously you see it’s says exactly what I said and that is your reply

I’ll help you one last time, start digging. I hope the cdc is credible to you, after all you believed them once before right?

Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine

What you need to know about getting a COVID-19 vaccination.

www.cdc.gov