What is?

[Jonnyswboy]

The vaccine isn’t stopping transmission Rob. That little detail might be inconvenient to your argument which is why you just skim right over it, but it’s the only detail that matters. It is not stopping transmission of Covid. The data is out there if you care. We will remove people’s freedoms for no reason at all. That is stupid and will make sure Republicans win the midterm and the next presidential election. Horrible strategy.

The vaccine IS significantly reducing hospitalization and death rates. Masks and social distancing/quarantining DO reduce transmission.

I don't understand the confusion.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The vaccine isn’t stopping transmission Rob. That little detail might be inconvenient to your argument which is why you just skim right over it, but it’s the only detail that matters. It is not stopping transmission of Covid. The data is out there if you care. We will remove people’s freedoms for no reason at all. That is stupid and will make sure Republicans win the midterm and the next presidential election. Horrible strategy.

OK. Answer this with 100% honesty. Why is it that 90-99% of the people getting hospitalized are the unvaccinated?
I want an explantion using science, statistics, empirical evidence, to show that all the studies that prove it works are incorrect.

please do not offer conspiracy fantasy, your discussions with your family members, the fact that you know some people who have COVID. Those are a microscopic view. I want your studies comparable to the ones I shared that involve multiple tens of thousands of people.

 

[Jonnyswboy]

What about the people who catch covid or die with or of covid that aren’t counted as vaccinated because their covid problems start within two weeks of their vaccinations, which the CDC counts them as being not vaccinated, even though they are?

“People are considered fully vaccinated:

2 weeks after their second shot in a 2-dose series, like the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, or
2 weeks after a single-shot vaccine, like Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine”

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

So they can inject you, and claim you’re not injected, and if the injection kills you, they labeled it as an unvaccinated covid death within 2 weeks. Seems legit.

It’s easy to create a dangerous injection and blame the deaths on the virus and not the MRNA vaccine, especially when you avoid any association between counted deaths from the vaccine within 2 weeks of vaccination, and instead claim all problems within the two weeks are with the “pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

So if you get the vaccine but not enough time (or doses) has passed for the vaccine to be fully effective, then test positive and die. It's the vaccine automatically? wtf is that assumption? Do you have statistics on deaths of vaccinated people prior to 2 weeks?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

SSSsssssssource?

Uhhhhh….common sense dude. Seriously? We’ve had more covid with vaccines than without.

 

[SlugButter]

SSSsssssssource?

You and I might believe in socialism, but we aren’t socialist yet. The way we are printing money and spending under Biden is going to work like it always does…the military and corporations will get rich and the rest of us will eat the inflation. We can’t spend like socialists and treat corporations like it’s a free market. That’s when we get a banana republic, which is where socialism gets a bad name. We are doing this backwards and that’s bad. We first need to implement socialist policies in the budget first before spending it, such as cutting military spending before printing 2 trillion dollars. This is just stupid, and will discredit the belief that I have that we need to change the system and will bring us right back to business as usual.

 

[Jesus Christ]

Have any of you ever beaten a dead horse?

 

[Jonnyswboy]

Uhhhhh….common sense dude. Seriously? We’ve had more covid with vaccines than without.

Lol are you serious... "More time has passed and more people are infected!!!"

Also nobody is claiming that the vaccine is stopping transmission. Only these claims:

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

VAcCinEs anD MAskS WorK DURRRRRRR

https://news.yahoo.com/more-americans-died-covid-2021-190020185.html

 

[Jonnyswboy]

VAcCinEs anD MAskS WorK DURRRRRRR

https://news.yahoo.com/more-americans-died-covid-2021-190020185.html

Did you even ******* read that???

Again, "more time has passed and more people are infected???!?!?!?!?!"

A combination of factors including comparatively low vaccination rates, relaxed Covid policies and personal precautions, and the highly contagious Delta variant, are driving this grim trend, according to experts.

Right now, about 60 per cent of Americans are fully vaccinated, the lowest level in the G7 well below the 85 or 90 per cent needed to achieve “endemicity,” a status where the disease still circulates at a low level but doesn’t cause widespread illness.

“We have the very unfortunate situation of not a high level of vaccine coverage and basically, in most places, a return to normal behaviors that put people at greater risk of coming in contact with the virus,”

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

More people died of covid in 2021 than 2020, even though we didn’t have the vaccines basically all 2020, and had them for most of 2021. Haha what a great job they’ve done!!!

 

[SlugButter]

The vaccine IS significantly reducing hospitalization and death rates. Masks and social distancing/quarantining DO reduce transmission.

I don't understand the confusion.

The confusion is what we are going to do with the millions of people who will not comply. They just aren’t going to comply no matter what we say. Should we just throw them out like garbage? Lots of things could stop people from death but we don’t mandate it. Losing weight, relieving stress, avoiding driving but I don’t hear anyone wanting to mandate things to change it…..yet.

 

[Jonnyswboy]

More people died of covid in 2021 than 2020, even though we didn’t have the vaccines basically all 2020, and had them for most of 2021. Haha what a great job they’ve done!!!

More people died in 2019 than in 1990 despite more advanced medicine!!!!!

^literally you

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

If the vaccine works and over half of America is vaccinated, then how in the hell did more people die in 2021 from covid than 2020? Makes zero sense!

 

[Jonnyswboy]

The confusion is what we are going to do with the millions of people who will not comply. They just aren’t going to comply no matter what we say. Should we just throw them out like garbage? Lots of things could stop people from death but we don’t mandate it. Losing weight, relieving stress, avoiding driving but I don’t hear anyone wanting to mandate things to change it…..yet.

Is the risk of death from obesity as transmittable as a virus? Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should force vaccines (unless it was proven to prevent transmission, and only for certain jobs). I am just saying, if masks and vaccines are helping people should stop having these horrible takes.

 

[SlugButter]

When people are willing to sacrifice other people’s lives based on a fraction of 1% chance of getting seriously ill, I question your priorities. People will sacrifice their own family if you scare them just a little bit. That’s sad.