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If either party put somebody up there instead of Trump or Biden, I'd vote for them. I could easily vote for Hailey and DeSantis has grown on me and at least neither of them are suffering from dementia. OTOH, I can't vote for Trump given his disregard for the election system, which is too bad given that he was a decent POTUS. It's a given anybody running for POTUS is a bit of an egomaniac, but Trump takes it to a new level.

 
If either party put somebody up there instead of Trump or Biden, I'd vote for them. I could easily vote for Hailey and DeSantis has grown on me and at least neither of them are suffering from dementia. OTOH, I can't vote for Trump given his disregard for the election system, which is too bad given that he was a decent POTUS. It's a given anybody running for POTUS is a bit of an egomaniac, but Trump takes it to a new level.

What is worse to you though, Trumps disregard for the election system as you say or democrats allowing millions and millions of illegals into the country for future votes and you know that is the main reason to let them into the country because most Americans are smart enough not to vote for Biden again.
 
If either party put somebody up there instead of Trump or Biden, I'd vote for them. I could easily vote for Hailey and DeSantis has grown on me and at least neither of them are suffering from dementia. OTOH, I can't vote for Trump given his disregard for the election system, which is too bad given that he was a decent POTUS. It's a given anybody running for POTUS is a bit of an egomaniac, but Trump takes it to a new level.


but you have the other side who forced the FBI and big tech to withhold pivotal information. While at the same time, making up extremely dangerous and false accusations to try and smear the competition.

Trump pushes for voters to provide an ID to vote and have more secure voting machines. I believe that shows he is on the right path to voting. If you ask me, they should get rid of machines to accept votes. Just ask any casino about how easy it is to manipulate a machine.
 
but you have the other side who forced the FBI and big tech to withhold pivotal information. While at the same time, making up extremely dangerous and false accusations to try and smear the competition.

Trump pushes for voters to provide an ID to vote and have more secure voting machines. I believe that shows he is on the right path to voting. If you ask me, they should get rid of machines to accept votes. Just ask any casino about how easy it is to manipulate a machine.
My parents owned to mom & pop casinos. They didn't seem to think it was easy to manipulate the slot machines.
 
My cousin, is a current slot machine tech in Vegas. He has told me, multiple times, that the machines can, and are, manipulated to what the casino asks. It is a program that is installed in them.
And he has access to said machines just like my parents manipulated their slot machines when the state changed the payout. That doesn't mean the machines are easy to manipulate. It just means it can be done.
 
Florida, Utah, the Dakota's, Iowa, and Arkansas should have been completely wiped out for not issuing that "Stay at home" order. However, they were the best thriving states with almost the least number of deaths, per capita. Funny how that worked out.

And what research do you have to back that up? It would be nice if people backed up their claims with facts.
 
And what research do you have to back that up? It would be nice if people backed up their claims with facts.
It's a false narrative. Hawaii was one of the more locked down isolated states and tops the list for lowest Covid mortality rate. Reality is we have numerous factors at play such as population density, level of healthcare, lock down measures, how much the lockdown measures were enforced, etc. Reviewing the covid mortality rate clearly reveals there is no pattern of lock downed or unlocked down states faring better or worse than the other.

 
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