Well.... Were F'ed

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Man, why do you guys want to limit freedom because you don't see the need in something. I don't see the need in lots of things but that doesn't mean I want to infringe on the liberty of someone else to have them.

 

[AxT4430 10+ year member]

The law has fairly little to do with it, it's about the difference in right and wrong, to me at least. Unfortunately you are right though, there are a lot of crazy ass's out there that will always find a way and always want to hurt innocent people.
I think that if you jump through the hoops of actually LEGALLY owning a full auto weapon, it should be fine. I don't really see the need and will never pursue one for myself, as a semi-auto with a 30 round clip would be much more accurate and just about as deadly. I have no problem with background checks and the registration of guns to keep them out of the wrong hands. But that's how it starts... give an inch, they take a mile.

just my thoughts.

And I believe morality is subjective.. many times it will supersede objective ethics of human nature or of a particular country, at a specific time. Right, and wrong is not the same for all of us, and like I mentioned earlier and as David Hume says "Reason plays slave to the passions."

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I have seen more people killed by cars than by guns.

 

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And I believe morality is subjective.. many times it will supersede objective ethics of human nature or of a particular country, at a specific time. Right, and wrong is not the same for all of us, and like I mentioned earlier and as David Hume says "Reason plays slave to the passions."

Yeah for stupid people. That's why it's easy to manipulate them and take their money.

 

[AxT4430 10+ year member]

Guns are awesome. Class III is awesome. Silencers are cool. Etc.

This is propaganda, brought to you to scare you into buying more guns. You do know how the NRA works, right? How many times does this sort of thing happen, and then sales skyrocket? That's the main point here. The NRA wants your money.

By the way, the list is very specific. If you didn't notice, the part where it says "Rifles:" and "Pistols:" and "Shotguns:" are designating the types of weapons they're about to talk about. They're not taking away "Rifles" and "Shotguns". How delusional are you?

And Obama can't take away your guns. SOPA got destroyed last year, and that was just trying to stop software pirating. Imagine the outburst if guns were threatened.

EDIT: On this issue, Obama is naive. The mentally ill doesn't need fully automatic weapons to terrorize people. How many shootings have you seen that involve automatic weapons at all? That's not even considering the process of getting a fully automatic rifle.

many school shooting, and wasnt the batman theatre shooting down with an automatic?! There are many, and they are seemingly more devastating.

Could you elaborate what you mean by the mentally ill dont need fully automatic weapons to terrorize people?

 

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I have seen more people killed by cars than by guns. 

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Yeah for stupid people. That's why it's easy to manipulate them and take their money.

For everyone you moron.. why dont you go eat a trivial pizza and realize hey it was more reasonable to eat a well balanced diet, but hey I wanted that pizza.

 

[Roth 10+ year member]

Being able to own guns, of any type is about more than just shooting deer and protecting against home invasion. It was put into the constitution to allow us to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government, to keep the power of this country within the people, and not in the hands of the very few that make the laws and seem to decide our fate.
I'm not claiming some massive conspiracy is underway, but gun rights and the ability to own them and defend your human rights is a much bigger message than simply having fun and hunting deer, brah. It is about being free. Not being oppressed and controlled.

I doubt a full gun ban would ever pass in the US as it would likely lead to the next revolutionary war, but it is important to be aware and conscious of these kinds of issues.

When the constitution was written, do you think the writers had any idea where technology would take us? Would they really have wanted citizens to potentially own the firepower that is currently available? It was the 1780's, things were a little bit different. As an advanced society, we have to be able to adapt and change as time progresses, not be stuck into a single ideologue just because that's the way it's always been. Should we still have child labor, slavery, no woman's suffrage, just because that's how things were when the constitution was written? The founding fathers weren't god-like beings who knew everything, they were men, with just as many faults as anyone else. It isn't some sort of holy scripture that can never be questioned.

It's like trying to use the ancient copyright system and apply it to the modern internet age. It just doesn't work, things have to change and evolve.

Just to be clear, I am in no way in favor of a full gun ban. I just think there should be some reasonable limitations on what is and isn't available for the average person. In my opinion, that means banning fully automatic weapons and any other sort of weaponry that isn't needed for you to protect your family against intruders, whether that's a single robber, or a tyrannical government.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

many school shooting, and wasnt the batman theatre shooting down with an automatic?! There are many, and they are seemingly more devastating.
Could you elaborate what you mean by the mentally ill dont need fully automatic weapons to terrorize people?

No. He had an AR-15(regular, semi-auto rifle), along with some other, normal weapons.

I'm typing on my phone, otherwise I'd have written more about the mentally ill part. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a single shooting in the US done with a fully automatic firearm. I don't keep up with shootings, so I can't be certain, but again, as far as I know, there have been none.

People who want to harm others will do so, regardless of the legality of firearms, fully auto or otherwise. Knives, homemade bombs, napalm, poison, etc., are all readily available for those interested. It's much easier to acquire the things necessary to kill 40 people with a bomb than it is to even start the process to get something class III. I'll get on my laptop in a bit and continue the discussion there.

For everyone you moron.. why dont you go eat a trivial pizza and realize hey it was more reasonable to eat a well balanced diet, but hey I wanted that pizza.

This happens all of the time. It tears me apart. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

For everyone you moron.. why dont you go eat a trivial pizza and realize hey it was more reasonable to eat a well balanced diet, but hey I wanted that pizza.

I eat a well balanced diet between 2,500 and 3,000 calories per day. I am not a child. I am an adult. Only children give in to petty impulses.

 

[Jayzbent 10+ year member]

No. He had an AR-15(regular, semi-auto rifle), along with some other, normal weapons.
I'm typing on my phone, otherwise I'd have written more about the mentally ill part. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a single shooting in the US done with a fully automatic firearm. I don't keep up with shootings, so I can't be certain, but again, as far as I know, there have been none.

People who want to harm others will do so, regardless of the legality of firearms, fully auto or otherwise. Knives, homemade bombs, napalm, poison, etc., are all readily available for those interested. It's much easier to acquire the things necessary to kill 40 people with a bomb than it is to even start the process to get something class III. I'll get on my laptop in a bit and continue the discussion there.

This happens all of the time. It tears me apart. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

The only thing that I can think of at this time is the LA bank robbers they had automatic weapons. But I am not sure anyone actually died besides the robbers. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

The only thing that I can think of at this time is the LA bank robbers they had automatic weapons. But I am not sure anyone actually died besides the robbers. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That? Even then, they modified semi-autos to be automatic. Getting rid of automatics wouldn't solve the amount of people modding AKs and SKSs or whatever. But thanks for the link, I didn't know of any.

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

Boy am I glad I caught this thread late, or it would have been an extra 20 pages long.

NO BODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN BUY OR NOT END OF STORY.

Thats what made this country great.

Thats why this country is about to turn into absolute garbage.

And as to the article posted in the first post, its fake, and from way back.

No. He had an AR-15(regular, semi-auto rifle), along with some other, normal weapons.
I'm typing on my phone, otherwise I'd have written more about the mentally ill part. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a single shooting in the US done with a fully automatic firearm. I don't keep up with shootings, so I can't be certain, but again, as far as I know, there have been none.

People who want to harm others will do so, regardless of the legality of firearms, fully auto or otherwise. Knives, homemade bombs, napalm, poison, etc., are all readily available for those interested. It's much easier to acquire the things necessary to kill 40 people with a bomb than it is to even start the process to get something class III. I'll get on my laptop in a bit and continue the discussion there.

This happens all of the time. It tears me apart. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

Very rarely do automatic guns come in to play. some can slip thru and end up in the super ghetto of LA or Chicago or something but very rarely.

The only thing that I can think of at this time is the LA bank robbers they had automatic weapons. But I am not sure anyone actually died besides the robbers. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Pretty sure those were semi auto AK's they just had steel core massive bullets

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

Unless you could somehow reassure that you are a sport gun shooter, I see no need to own any full auto weapons. You dont even see police officers on or off duty with full auto weapons!

All police officers here have a fully auto (select fire) Mp5 in their trunk and an ar15 mounted in the cabin (sometimes a shotty instead) and their service pistol.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

Pretty sure those were semi auto AK's they just had steel core massive bullets

Wiki says they were modded to be full auto.

 

[Jerhemy 10+ year member]

When the constitution was written, do you think the writers had any idea where technology would take us? Would they really have wanted citizens to potentially own the firepower that is currently available? It was the 1780's, things were a little bit different. As an advanced society, we have to be able to adapt and change as time progresses, not be stuck into a single ideologue just because that's the way it's always been. Should we still have child labor, slavery, no woman's suffrage, just because that's how things were when the constitution was written? The founding fathers weren't god-like beings who knew everything, they were men, with just as many faults as anyone else. It isn't some sort of holy scripture that can never be questioned.
It's like trying to use the ancient copyright system and apply it to the modern internet age. It just doesn't work, things have to change and evolve.

Just to be clear, I am in no way in favor of a full gun ban. I just think there should be some reasonable limitations on what is and isn't available for the average person. In my opinion, that means banning fully automatic weapons and any other sort of weaponry that isn't needed for you to protect your family against intruders, whether that's a single robber, or a tyrannical government.

I agree that the founding fathers could have no way of knowing what kinds of weapons and technology would be available to citizens hundredds of years later. But they did lay out a lot of very important human rights. I am not fighting the registration and control of full auto weapons and other weapons to citizens, but they should never be denied to any law abiding citizen.

I just want the means to protect myself against any threat, weather it be a criminal, or a cop/soldier deployed on US soil with orders to violate my basic human rights.

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

Wiki says they were modded to be full auto.

Then they were probably slam fired, and that shits dangerous (for the user).

Anyone can make an ak47 slam fire. They hardly hit anything anyway. What ended up killing them, pistols! HMM EVIL PISTOLS

 

[Jerhemy 10+ year member]

For everyone you moron.. why dont you go eat a trivial pizza and realize hey it was more reasonable to eat a well balanced diet, but hey I wanted that pizza.

because no one gives a fuk, nor is affected by you eating a whole pizza vs a balanced diet.