We are F*UCKED!!!!!!!

[zane 10+ year member]

And still nothing to counter the points brought up by snova on page ten...still. I love excuses...
NG

Of course you love excuses. That's all you know.

There has been no factually based counter to many of the points that myself, rx7vert, Gauntlet, etc have made in all of these threads.

Unless you consider the complete nonse..... No wait, let me use a take on your words : The complete LEFT WING Bullshit and propaganda that blinds you futher every day that you in turn, contine to spew forth, as if you actually had something of reasonable intelligence to contribute.

You easily dismiss anything that each of us say without you yourself actually stating anything of fact or value.

Resulting from this, We can all dismiss further comments from you as complete nonsense devoid of reason and competence.

In other words, Shut up.

Wallow in your own shortcommings continue to blame Mr. Bush for all of your problems, spead your message of doom and gloom, and by all means, purchase another pair of rose colored glasses.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

america was based on liberal principles. if you learned anything in history, this should have been it.
freedom of speech?

establishment of religion being illegal?

legal requirement of a warrant?

today's right wing is becoming less and less concerned about these, our country's most fundamental values

When I said liberal laziness I was referring to socialism.

This country was designed to reward those for working hard not to have the government take my money and spend it on other people.

I think our social systems must be cleaned up.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

You know what I just realized; anymore American's are just afraid of change. Screw all of this who did what while in their respective office, who promised what, who voted which way for what bill and their reasons for "flip flopping"...........we just don't want to change unless we have to. Look at every president in the last 24 years; with the exception of one (Bush Senior), they have all been elected to a 2nd term.

 

[Scrubnut 10+ year member]

At some point in his life Bush might have had and IQ of 140. Although, I am not saying his family didn't buy the results of that test also. That by no means translates into him being smart. Drinking and drugs have a tendency toward detracting from how well a person's brain functions and operates. Do people not listen to him speak? Do they not hear him slaughter the English language? Watch him when he speaks: either he's trying to read a speech and messing it up or he's trying to answer questions and you can see the wheels trying to turn in his head and he just comes up empty. Personally, I want someone to lead the country who is smarter and more intelligent than I am.

The whole liberal - conservative crap is getting old. As long those in power and those seeking power are able to separate people into smaller groups then there will be no unification and no change.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

So why bring up the lives lost in 9/11 when I refer to the lives lost in a war? They cannot be compared, yet you brought it up...interesting.
You have said that Saddam had Terrorist ties, therefore leading us to Iraq...yet, SO DO WE. Who funded the Taliban? The ISI and CIA did. Who gave the Taliban the largest contribution they have EVER received? We did.

Our intelligence has proven to be very keen- they claimed out their *** they were going to find WMD's...and nothing. There's NO denying that fact, as it has been well documented. There, we've looked at one fact.

I've also covered the fact that we (at least the Bush family) have ties with Bin Laden, and the Taliban. This has been made apparent by plenty of people. No denying that one.

Hey- did you know that the Saudi Binladen Group has investements in the Carlyle Group (which Bush Sr. is a consultant to), who specialize in the buyouts of defense and aerospace companies? (this according to the Wall Street Journal)

Another thing- if we were heading to a war on terror, and we clearly had a good idea of who was at the head of these attacks, why in the world did we let ~140 Saudi's and members of the Bin Laden family leave the country days after the attacks, lifting the airspace restriction? Wouldn't they be CRUCIAL in this situation? After all, 75% of the hijackers were Saudi...(this all, BTW, was said by White House Counterterrorism chief, Richard Clarke).

A bulk of this post has nothing to do with what you just said Zane, it's just things that I wanted to get out there and discuss. I think you should put your political ties to the side, and consider THESE facts for a little bit.

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[BIG_SUPERMAN72 10+ year member]

scrubnut said it best.

 

[rx7vert 10+ year member]

At some point in his life Bush might have had and IQ of 140. Although, I am not saying his family didn't buy the results of that test also. That by no means translates into him being smart. Drinking and drugs have a tendency toward detracting from how well a person's brain functions and operates. Do people not listen to him speak? Do they not hear him slaughter the English language? Watch him when he speaks: either he's trying to read a speech and messing it up or he's trying to answer questions and you can see the wheels trying to turn in his head and he just comes up empty. Personally, I want someone to lead the country who is smarter and more intelligent than I am.
The whole liberal - conservative crap is getting old. As long those in power and those seeking power are able to separate people into smaller groups then there will be no unification and no change.

If your are judging someones inteligence by their public speaking skills, you are ignorant. Bush is a very smart man, he just doesn't show it when he's put on the spot. If he was an idiot, he wouldn't have gotten elected. TWICE!

 

[BIG_SUPERMAN72 10+ year member]

If he would of lost. All the people that are over their. Would come back. Because Kerry knew how stupid it was.

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

If he would of lost. All the people that are over their. Would come back. Because Kerry knew how stupid it was.

If kerry pulled out all the troops as soon as he stepped into office he would be making a bigger mistake than bush did sending them there in the first place.

 

[BIG_SUPERMAN72 10+ year member]

Over time he would gradually pull them out. But not try and re-build a ****ed up country.

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Over time he would gradually pull them out. But not try and re-build a ****ed up country.

are you really as ignorant as you sound? What do you suggest we do, just leave the country as it is? Are you aware that Iraq had one of the best infrastructures in the middle east, which we have now pretty much destroyed because we totally miscalculated the whole invasion and now occupation? Would you like it if someone came and bombed your city, killed your brother, and then left you with nothing to suffer?

 

[rx7vert 10+ year member]

Iraq didn't have one of the best infrastructures in the middle east. They had a dictatorship. What we have done is free them from torture, and fear. If you don't believe me, talk to the American troops that were over there. Almost all of the Iraqi people are thanking them for doing what they did.

 

[BIG_SUPERMAN72 10+ year member]

But why spend billions of dollars Rebuilding their country? If your thinking we are really there to get cheaper oil. Then why not just keep the oil wells under our control. Its stupid to waste money on another country when your country is 3 trillion dollars in debt. George Bush needs to worry about the U.S. instead of the Middle East.

 

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

But why spend billions of dollars Rebuilding their country? If your thinking we are really there to get cheaper oil. Then why not just keep the oil wells under our control. Its stupid to waste money on another country when your country is 3 trillion dollars in debt. George Bush needs to worry about the U.S. instead of the Middle East.

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[Bigrick31 10+ year member]

Ya know we have so much oil as it is already. were it not for (insert name of orginization here) who says how many barrels of oil are produced we would have lower oil prices. but i beleive even if we get ahold of all the oil in the middle east are oil prices will never drop below $1.95. i was hoping for kerry to win. we need democrats to make life better for the working middle class because lets face it how many of us are going to make millions of dollars a year. not as many as the people who wont be thats for sure. im wating in line now to be accapted into the sanfrancisco electritions union. and seeing as how kerry was all for unions and getting the economy back on track i wanted him to win to increase my chances of getting a great job. since this was such a close race Bush is now going to have to prove to the other 50% who didnt vote for him that he is the right man for the job. i just hope he starts taking car of things here in the US more.