Unwanted Carnage..

[ultimate157 5,000+ posts]

Looks like the terminal failed, which caused arcing.

 

[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

why chrome a basket?

should go black to match the motor if anything

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

why chrome a basket?

should go black to match the motor if anything

apparently it will look good sitting on your bar stool

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

its the extra heat buildup from the current.....not the harmonics
the hotter the coil, the hotter the tinsels......and they can only take so much......

Not to get into the middle of you two's argument, but I think you are being a bit misleading here (unintentionally).
If you acknowledge its the excess amounts of heat that cause this, you shouldn't say clipping is the problem. Clipping isn't the culprit, over powering would be. If a less knowledgeable person read your answer on clipping and took it to heart, he'd think his 25watt amplifier would be capable of frying coils on a 1000 watt sub. Or he might be inclined to think his 250watt sub will be fine with a 1000 watt amp so long as it does not clip.

It may seem like Im splitting hairs here, but Im not. Its like the person who says that 'underpowering' kills speakers, when in reality that is merely symptom of why the problem finally occurred.

Clipping certainly can easily lead to overpowered, abused and melted coils. but 'clipping' is not the problem, it was the amount of power that was being applied that was the problem. Clipping merely helped create that problematic amount of power due to the size of the amplifier.

I think too many times anymore many of us just say 'clipping is the problem' as an easy answer to a more complex problem. That in turn evolves into something completely different, and wrong (like 'underpowering kills speakers' evolved from the idea of over-adjusting gains to make up for too small of an amplifier).

 

[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

thats what i meant...i just didnt fully explain it.

I talked with rusty about this very problem that some people had with lets say a 1000 rms sub and they have a 500w amp

with the gains all the way up and the bass boost pumping at + 18 DB, its sending way too much current through the little tinsel leads....thats all i was getting at......its not the coil that was fried, id be willing to bet money that the coils are just fine.

but i didnt know that he was running 6kwrms to the sub.

 

[Haunz 10+ year member]

A tinsel lead will not fail unless it's faulty.. I don't care how much power you send a sub.. the voice coil will burn up first, or it's a bad lead to begin with.. (or in this case a bad connection)

 

[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

i disagree my friend, i disagree.

 

[WildSebring 10+ year member]

I only ran one amp to it daily at 0.5ohm being its a D1..

I burped it 3 times with both amps strapped seeing 0.25ohm per amp...

And 2 days after the burp...I'm bumping with all settings down off 1 amp and lower than listening level due to cell phone...and it quit playing...wasnt hot or anything...I pull it and tensil is snapped.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/verymad.gif.3f39c5c2fd57527b671fad3efdfac756.gif

I need direct connects or thicker leads..//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

 

[D_Jack 10+ year member]

well even if your gains arent high still with a 3000 on each coil your voltage could be dropping enough to clipp the crap out of it .. usually burnt tinsel leasds are from clipping..... it is a lot of power for a 1500wrms woofer but if all you did was 2 burps that usually isnt enought to burn stuff unless you are feeding a clipped high amperage low voltage signal to it.... did u strap the amps when u burped it at the comp or just put one on each coil??