Oh and if you feel there is not a reason for that much steel then I will have to bow out of this conversation. It may have a bit more then needed for ease of tooling but there is a reason. I will be putting a terrilbe amount of power to these. I am starting with the 4 SSX 2000s, each pair will be strapped at 1 ohm on a 16 volt system. Then I am working on getting 2 amps that do 10k a piece. I obviously do not expect them to handle 10k daily but those amps are my next move and will be used to that potential for burbing not for the street.