No joke. I was basically run off because my customer (friend) chose to use a roofing deadener. I justified it because he wound up spending 48 dollars with great results. He was extremely offended that I felt it made buying Second Skin not worth the money. I'm sure SS is a great product and I was planning on using it myself because of it's reputation but their SS rep showed up and Meade made an *** of himself so I bailed. The only regret is that there were some pretty sick builds I was following. I don't log on there now.