stupid sh it people say....

[Mitch86 5,000+ posts]

The hell is going on in here?

I think two fags just kissed and made up after an internet dispute. . . Otherwise rockford is just being himself and ranting nonsense.

 

[Mitch86 5,000+ posts]

Now that I look at it that way, I TOTALLY think you're right!

Of course I'm right!

 

[Cruzer 10+ year member]

"best" threads are useless, but asking for opinions isnt.

and about suggesting nut hugged brands, what they wish to run, or what they run.

it has to be something. if im only supposed to recommend what ive used, what if ive only used boss, do i need to suggest boss to people?

i base my suggestions off experience, reviews, winisd, and reading(motor designs, other SQ stuff no one on here cares about)

 

[dcyphure 10+ year member]

You're trying to spin it in a direction to suit your faulty premise. I didn't say people shouldn't ask for help or advice. I said they should not ask those 4 questions I mentioned above. Please try to pay attention.

but those 4 questions are advice questions. lol. Meaning their asking the opinions of those more experienced or who study/research the stuff cause their geek about it.

But it sounds like your being Elitist or to say your into it for so long that you think most of this stuff is common sense and noob's are retarded and you let yourself get annoyed by any noob questions. You need a vacation into another hobby for a while. But why not just ignore such threads if such mundane questions bother you so much? Or would that make too much sense?

i can tell beforehand your response will be defensive, proving you need a vacation to another hobby. Try raising some aquarium fish or something for a while.

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

and about suggesting nut hugged brands, what they wish to run, or what they run.

it has to be something. if im only supposed to recommend what ive used, what if ive only used boss, do i need to suggest boss to people?

No offense towards you but,

I would rather hear an opinion from some one that has actually used a product, versus some one regurgitating information read from the interwebz. Hands on experience is key for me. I have read all kinds of stuff, but the products I have hands on experience with are the ones I try to offer assistance with. SO if all you have dealt with hands on is boss, then sure lets hear about it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[ahole-ic]

but those 4 questions are advice questions. lol. Meaning their asking the opinions of those more experienced or who study/research the stuff cause their geek about it. But it sounds like your being Elitist or to say your into it for so long that you think most of this stuff is common sense and noob's are retarded and you let yourself get annoyed by any noob questions. You need a vacation into another hobby for a while. But why not just ignore such threads if such mundane questions bother you so much? Or would that make too much sense?

i can tell beforehand your response will be defensive, proving you need a vacation to another hobby. Try raising some aquarium fish or something for a while.

You attacked me, and then tried to prevent me from being able to respond with your "i can tell your response will be defensive" bs. Well, I can tell your response to THIS will be defensive. I do what I do to help people. Questions like the 4 aforementioned are beyond help. Clearly you are guilty of them and feel silly. That's on you... but the fact remains that asking what single product is best for a certain scenario is ignorant. There is simply no correct answer. The responses people give are just whose nuts they are currently hugging and is not in any way productive. Feel free to discuss that point, but do not continue to personally attack me when you do not know me simply because you're guilty of asking these ignorant questions yourself. That is not my fault.

 

[Oh6AcCoRd 10+ year member]

dont mess with ecrack.... its just something you dont do

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Asking "what amp should I buy for these subs" is basically asking people for recommendations. Sometimes this question is asked for the wrong reasons, and sometimes its asked for perfectly acceptable reasons. But in a hobby like this, I think its unreasonable to expect people to ever stop asking for recommendations on equipment.

Ive seen people complain here and on other car audio forums for many years now, about noobs always asking the same old questions. But if traffic slows down on that forum, then people complain about the lack of content. Kind of ironic.

Here's my recommendation. If you want to help reduce those types of questions, the best way is to roll up your sleeves, jump in and help raise the knowledge base on the forum. If people ask these questions, and get nothing but legitimizing responses (recommendations), things wont change. But if a good group of people, or even a single member, regularly replies to those threads with explanations of what would be better questions to ask, and why, common sense tells us the number of those annoying questions will be reduced. But, if you just cant stand the thought of continuing to fight the endless struggle against ignorance on that particular topic, learn to see the usual tell-tale signs of those types of threads in the thread titles.

 

[ahole-ic]

Asking "what amp should I buy for these subs" is basically asking people for recommendations. Sometimes this question is asked for the wrong reasons, and sometimes its asked for perfectly acceptable reasons. But in a hobby like this, I think its unreasonable to expect people to ever stop asking for recommendations on equipment.
Ive seen people complain here and on other car audio forums for many years now, about noobs always asking the same old questions. But if traffic slows down on that forum, then people complain about the lack of content. Kind of ironic.

Here's my recommendation. If you want to help reduce those types of questions, the best way is to roll up your sleeves, jump in and help raise the knowledge base on the forum. If people ask these questions, and get nothing but legitimizing responses (recommendations), things wont change. But if a god group of people, or even a single member, regularly replies to those threads with explanations of what would be better questions to ask, and why, common sense tells us the number of those annoying questions will be reduced. But, if you just cant stand the thought of continuing the fight the endless struggle against ignorance on that particular topic, learn to see the usual tell-tale signs of those types of threads in the thread titles.

It's not about not having the stomach for it, etc. It's also not asking for recommendations. It's "which x is best in y scenario?" If you want to help with it, as a mod you should have a canned response such as "there is no BEST, read z to find out the reason." I realize that having a knowledgeable forum is counter-intuitive to traffic on the site. I probably know that better than anyone, but at some point you have to give a mission statement and stick to it. Are we here to educate the masses or just circle jerk? If traffic is the main perogative then I understand the circle jerk. Also, I mean no offense by this. We are openning up a healthy discussion I believe and i'm not trying to accuse or point fingers.

 

[09civic 5,000+ posts]

dont mess with ecrack.... its just something you dont do

This

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

It's not about not having the stomach for it, etc. It's also not asking for recommendations. It's "which x is best in y scenario?" If you want to help with it, as a mod you should have a canned response such as "there is no BEST, read z to find out the reason." I realize that having a knowledgeable forum is counter-intuitive to traffic on the site. I probably know that better than anyone, but at some point you have to give a mission statement and stick to it. Are we here to educate the masses or just circle jerk? If traffic is the main perogative then I understand the circle jerk. Also, I mean no offense by this. We are openning up a healthy discussion I believe and i'm not trying to accuse or point fingers.

I should start off by saying the moderation staff here is not responsible for the content. So far as Im concerned, the only power a mod should have to shape forum content that the average member does not have, is merely in regards to content that violates the rules. Otherwise, they are just another voice on the board.

It's not about not having the stomach for it, etc. It's also not asking for recommendations. It's "which x is best in y scenario?"

I guess Im not following how someone asking "which x is best in y scenario?" is not asking for a recommendation. You just seem to be hung up on the word 'best' being used. When someone is looking for a piece of equipment, they want to make the best choice, they want advice on what would be the best choice. I think you are taking the word best, as used in some of these scenarios, a bit too literally.

If you want to help with it, as a mod you should have a canned response such as "there is no BEST, read z to find out the reason."

What does being a mod have to do with it? Ive been a regular on car audio forums for more than 10 years, Ive answered my fair share of "what is the biggest, baddest, best sub out there" questions, long before I became a mod. And yes, I use to even have a few 'canned' responses saved on old computers that I used many times.

Members create forum content, moderators simply 'police' it for problems.

I realize that having a knowledgeable forum is counter-intuitive to traffic on the site.

Your implication of a conspiracy to keep members ignorant, so they feel the need to keep coming back, is not lost on me. However, it is completely and totally without merit. There is no such feeling with the staff here, nor do I even know how we would regulate such a thing unnoticed, and frankly I dont even agree with your assessment that having a knowledgeable forum is counter productive to traffic volume. Im not offended by what you've said, I just pretty much disagree with all of it.

 

[ahole-ic]

I should start off by saying the moderation staff here is not responsible for the content. So far as Im concerned, the only power a mod should have to shape forum content that the average member does not have, is merely in regards to content that violates the rules. Otherwise, they are just another voice on the board.

Blatant contradiction. You set the rules, and you moderate the content based on those rules. AKA you moderate the content.

I guess Im not following how someone asking "which x is best in y scenario?" is not asking for a recommendation. You just seem to be hung up on the word 'best' being used. When someone is looking for a piece of equipment, they want to make the best choice, they want advice on what would be the best choice. I think you are taking the word best, as used in some of these scenarios, a bit too literally.

I don't think you're taking it literally enough. If you've read through the threads, you know I'm not out on some kooky fringe. That's exactly what they are looking for. They want to know a single product to buy. People chime in and tell them a single product and it is always whatever brand they are hugging nuts for.

What does being a mod have to do with it? Ive been a regular on car audio forums for more than 10 years, Ive answered my fair share of "what is the biggest, baddest, best sub out there" questions, long before I became a mod. And yes, I use to even have a few 'canned' responses saved on old computers that I used many times.

What doesn't it have to do with it?

Members create forum content, moderators simply 'police' it for problems.

... and it is a problem depending on what your goals for the forum are.

Your implication of a conspiracy to keep members ignorant, so they feel the need to keep coming back, is not lost on me. However, it is completely and totally without merit. There is no such feeling with the staff here, nor do I even know how we would regulate such a thing unnoticed, and frankly I dont even agree with your assessment that having a knowledgeable forum is counter productive to traffic volume. Im not offended by what you've said, I just pretty much disagree with all of it.

There was no implication of anything. If you took it that way, that's your fault. The implication that I am attacking this forum because most of the members are ignorant is out of line and is starting to take an innocent discussion and turning it into a smear fest. I don't really appreciate it.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Blatant contradiction. You set the rules, and you moderate the content based on those rules. AKA you moderate the content.

I don't think you're taking it literally enough. If you've read through the threads, you know I'm not out on some kooky fringe. That's exactly what they are looking for. They want to know a single product to buy. People chime in and tell them a single product and it is always whatever brand they are hugging nuts for.

What doesn't it have to do with it?

... and it is a problem depending on what your goals for the forum are.

There was no implication of anything. If you took it that way, that's your fault. The implication that I am attacking this forum because most of the members are ignorant is out of line and is starting to take an innocent discussion and turning it into a smear fest. I don't really appreciate it.

Which rules are you referring to that dictate the content? Specifically.

Of course they want to know the 'best' product to buy. When's the last time you went in search of advice on the second best option to chose?

Kooky fringe is your description, not mine.

There was no implication of anything. If you took it that way, that's your fault. The implication that I am attacking this forum because most of the members are ignorant is out of line and is starting to take an innocent discussion and turning it into a smear fest. I don't really appreciate it.

First off, I find it ironic that you started us down this discussion path, you said 'no offense meant' because you knew you were touching on a subject that might offend, but when I dont agree but specifically say Im not offended (ie: not mad) and I just disagree with you, its YOU that ends up offended. Not to sound cold, because I truly do not mean to offend you, but if you are so easily offended by this discussion, it would be best to not start the conversation in the first place. What I dont appreciate is being put in the position that I either agree with you, or I offend you.

As for you not implying anything, then why do you say "Also, I mean no offense by this"? If you did not mean what I understood you to be saying, instead of being offended by my mistake, why not explain what you DID mean? What happened to this being a healthy discussion?

I realize that having a knowledgeable forum is counter-intuitive to traffic on the site. I probably know that better than anyone, but at some point you have to give a mission statement and stick to it. Are we here to educate the masses or just circle jerk? If traffic is the main perogative then I understand the circle jerk.

There is what you said again. Id be glad to have you explain to me what this means, if it didnt mean "the circle jerk is good for business".

 

[ahole-ic]

Which rules are you referring to that 'moderate the content'? Specifically.
Of course they want to know the 'best' product to buy. When's the last time you went in search of advice on the second best option to chose?

Not at all the point. The point is there is no best, so any answer given is nuthuggery. Without knowing it you made my point for me.

Kooky fringe is your description, not mine.

Nice try. You're not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes.

First off, I find it ironic that you started us down this discussion path, you said 'no offense meant' because you knew you were touching on a subject that might offend, but when I disagree but specifically say Im not offended (ie: not mad), I just disagree with you, its YOU that ends up offended.

I'm offended by you spinning what I said, which was non-controversial into something that IS controversial and trying to make me an adversary to this forum. I realized that the less intelligent would perceive what I was saying as something other than what it was. Enter ahole-ic.

Not to sound cold, because I truly do not mean to offend you, but if you are so easily offended by this discussion, it would be best to not start the conversation in the first place. What I dont appreciate is being put in the position that I either agree with you, or I offend you.

Junior don't tell me what is best. You tried something. It didn't work and I called you on it. Now you're trying to spin it another way. You're not very bright... but the only one that doesn't realize is you.

As for you not implying anything, then why do you say "Also, I mean no offense by this"? If you did not mean what I understood you to be saying, instead of being offended by my mistake, why not explain what you DID mean? What happened to this being a healthy discussion?

I already covered this... and it stopped being a healthy discussion when you started accusing me of conspiracy theory and making me an adversary of this forum for no apparent reason.

There is what you said again. Id be glad to have you explain to me what this means, if it didnt mean "the circle jerk is good for business".

Yes please do explain it to me... whom did I say was circle jerking? Quote that line.