SQ Anyone? got my eclipse subs. pics.

[Babs 10+ year member]

Sub SQ traits.. flat response, fast, accurate, little-ringing..

Almost want to just ask the manufacturers which subs for that purpose.

Makes me think I would I'd rather have a couple excellent, flat-response 10" subs instead of a boomy trunk-bumpin' 12" anyday. Never heard a 15" that did anything other than just a lot of SPL.. except for maybe my servo 15.. but that's a different animal entirely.

Man those eclipse drivers look like TC sounds subs I used to see in some SV Subwoofers home theater sub systems.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Yup, SQ is 95% subjective..

IMO, its the other way around. There is such a thing as reproducing the original recording as accurately as possible. Measuring this however is not easy. So people like to say its subjective, when its actually quite objective.

If SQ were truely subjective, everyone (and I do mean everyone) could and would claim their system is a 'SQ' setup.

SQ judges dont just listen for personal preference cues, they listen for accuracy, blending, full freq response, imaging etc etc. Its not like reading a poem or deciding if you like a song.

Saying SQ is subjective is a cop-out imo. (no offense ultimate)

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

A sound quality setup is not the same thing as a setup that sounds good.

I like a boosted 30-40hz range in my music. A system that has a nice boost here would sound nice to me. Does this mean the sub stage is an SQ sub stage because I like the FR curve? Nope. Do I care for a flat response? Not really. Does this mean it's not an SQ setup? Nope.

 

[BassAddictJ 5,000+ posts]

Eclipse subs do tend to like a smaller box to retain tight, accurate bass response, however it will alter the response curve in terms of SPL.
I know my 8200 sounds GREAT in 1 cube sealed, but the response curve is peaky. Still love eclipse subs though.

i heart my 4hp

An 18 that likes 3.5cubs at 34Hz and it still sounds like rough ear *** every time.... clean and loud

 

[samson 10+ year member]

Some people prefer a colored response. With accuracy, you soon discover not all bass is dynamic and some bands are tone deaf. Accurate doe not always sound best imo.

 

[traksta15 10+ year member]

what model are those? Where'd you get em-those are sexy!

 

[02parkave 5,000+ posts]

IMO, its the other way around. There is such a thing as reproducing the original recording as accurately as possible. Measuring this however is not easy. So people like to say its subjective, when its actually quite objective.
If SQ were truely subjective, everyone (and I do mean everyone) could and would claim their system is a 'SQ' setup.

SQ judges dont just listen for personal preference cues, they listen for accuracy, blending, full freq response, imaging etc etc. Its not like reading a poem or deciding if you like a song.

Saying SQ is subjective is a cop-out imo. (no offense ultimate)

And right there is the proof for my "argumentative idiot" saying about you....

how is it a cop out? what sounds "good" to me, may not sound "good" to you.. how is that objective? As far as what judges listen for- you are right. however, how many on these boards (especially ca.com) do you REALLY believe actually compete in sq?

 

[samson 10+ year member]

I'm just curious how many people don't use their EQ or bass boost? Sort of like immacomputer said, even if you do that, you are altering the sound of the original recording. But can't that at times enhance the listening experience? We tend to adjust the sound to what we THINK it should sound like.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

I use my EQ but I NEVER boost any frequencies. Boosting is bad while cutting can be fine as long as you set your gains with the EQ flat. When you boost a frequency, it's as if you're cutting every other frequency. That's if you want to do it correctly and when you boost, you make sure you're not clipping.

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

my friends. sq is a little subjective.

but there is such thing as an iasca rulebook that makes it less objective. there are rules to sq, not something you can just say 'i think it sounds good' and that means its sq.

there is a hell of a lot more to it than that... otherwise it would not be so god **** hard.

 

[Buffalohed 10+ year member]

No, actually, SQ is not subjective. Because SQ is not the same thing as "sounds good". If you think having good SQ means it sounds good then you are in error. Whether or not something sounds good is subjective, and pretty much pointless to discuss unless you are doing it with someone who you know has similar tastes. 95% of the people here misusing the phrase SQ doesn't change its meaning.

And I hate to say it, but for all you competition fanatics, SQ is not the same thing as SQ competitions, either. IOW, SQ is not just objective because there are guidelines in a rulebook for competing in it.

 

[samson 10+ year member]

I use my EQ but I NEVER boost any frequencies.

Me neither, but some people seem to like it. I use and adjust the EQ ALL the time, depending on the artist and sometimes even the track.

Sound quality and "what sounds good" aren't the same? I read an article on accuracy versus musicality that was quite interesting. Maybe they aren't the same or maybe they are misused. But I'm not interested in spl. I'm only interested in what sounds good to me, even if that means some coloration. So exactly what category would you place a person like me in?

 

[Buffalohed 10+ year member]

See thats the thing. This isn't a car audio competition. Not everyone has to be either "SQ" or "SPL". Those people with a billion eminences say they sound good. So are they "SQ"?

The category you are in, if you insist on being in one, is good sounding but not too loud. You can call it "SQ" if you really want, but say if you prefer a warm tweeter and aggressive midrange then it's not SQ anymore. That setup might sound good to you, but that doesn't equate to better SQ.

Look, the terms work in a basic sense to give people a rough idea of what you want. Like, "hey I'm looking for an SQ/SPL sub", people will know what you are talking about. But when you start actually describing what those terms mean, it's not as simple as just saying "whatever sounds good man".

 

[Buffalohed 10+ year member]

And yes, the subjective argument is always a cop-out. If it is true, then there can't be any logical discussion of the topic, only people saying "I like this" or "I like that". If it isn't true however, saying that it is true is effectively killing the argument or disagreement. In this case, it is not true, SQ is not subjective.

I know everyone would like to think their personal preference constitutes perfect SQ, so I'm sorry if I shattered anyones dreams.

 

[CaliforniabOY5 10+ year member]

And yes, the subjective argument is always a cop-out. If it is true, then there can't be any logical discussion of the topic, only people saying "I like this" or "I like that". If it isn't true however, saying that it is true is effectively killing the argument or disagreement. In this case, it is not true, SQ is not subjective.
I know everyone would like to think their personal preference constitutes perfect SQ, so I'm sorry if I shattered anyones dreams.

+ 10 cool points for you