So which drugs are the most addivtive

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Elaborate

People who smoke tobacco do it more continously....chain smoking.

They also do it in public.

People who smoke weed typically do it in private. but that is mainly for legal reasons. But moreover they smoke less. Also, there is much research in making weed more potent, not as much in cigs (that I have seen, maybe more addictive, but not more potent)

If weed were regualted, would you suggest it be regulated more like tobacco or more like weed.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

First explain why you think it can't be controlled.

because if someone feels like paying someone underneath the table, they will do it.

now im going to assume you misunderstood me and are instead talking about drugs in general. so IF you are actually willing to read...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/17/AR2007081701716.html

http://www.briancbennett.com/

and i am trying to find the other article that showed there was X% of people that were considered drug users before the drug war. then just recently the study said that the percentage did not even change, and thats decades later into the drug war.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

Like I said, it is far easier to grow weed. Do people smoke the equivalent of 1 - 2 packs of cigs every day?
I would assume less weed is consumed and it would be effecient for one to grow it in the home. You can grow tobacco at home and smoke it now. It just isn't very effecient.

well yes weed is much more easier to grow...which begs the question...

if it is THAT easy to grow, and everyone would start doing it...who is actually going to make any untaxed profits from it? no body is going to buy when they can just grow it themselves.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

But that doesn't happen often with alcohol or cigarettes...

im not quite sure i understand the angle you are coming from.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

The Truth About Driving When You're High on MarijuanaPrinter Friendly Version Printer Friendly Version Email this Article Email this Article

Posted in Chronicle Blog by Scott Morgan on Fri, 01/11/2008 - 12:41am

Concerns about stoned drivers careening across our nation's highways are frequently cited as a justification for the continued criminalization of marijuana. Given the massive casualties associated with drunk driving, it's easy to understand how the specter of increased roadside fatalities can be effective in reinforcing negative attitudes about marijuana. However, a new report reveals that, while stoned driving isn't smart, it's hardly the death sentence some would have us believe.

NORML's Paul Armentano has prepared a scientific review of over a dozen studies evaluating marijuana's effect on psychomotor skills and the risks posed by marijuana intoxication behind the wheel. Armentano finds that marijuana impairment is generally "subtle and short-lived," falling far short of the threats posed by drunk driving.

Although acute cannabis intoxication following smoking has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment is seldom severe or long lasting. In closed course and driving simulator studies, marijuana’s acute effects on psychomotor performance include minor impairments in tracking (eye movement control) and reaction time, as well as variation in lateral positioning, headway (drivers under the influence of cannabis tend to follow less closely to the vehicle in front of them), and speed (drivers tend to decrease speed following cannabis inhalation). In general, these variations in driving behavior are noticeably less consistent or pronounced than the impairments exhibited by subjects under the influence of alcohol. Also, unlike subjects impaired by alcohol, individuals under the influence of cannabis tend to be aware of their impairment and try to compensate for it accordingly, either by driving more cautiously or by expressing an unwillingness to drive altogether. [see original for citations]

Of course, the point here isn’t that one should get stoned and cruise the strip blasting Led Zeppelin. But this is information one would want if they were trying to create a smart marijuana policy as opposed to the disgraceful mess of legislative lunacy currently passing for marijuana law in America.

Whenever someone claims that marijuana makes you sick or crazy; that it will cause you to crash your car, kill your comrades, or catastrophically co-opt your common sense, just look for the corpses. Where are they? I've looked high and low, but I can't find the disastrous consequences of marijuana use apparent anywhere other than the Drug Czar's predictably propagandized press releases.

But to be fair, there are two horrible things about marijuana that everyone should be mindful of and they are as follows: 1) the smell attracts cops, nosy neighbors, and mooches and 2) the stuff remains detectable in your system for up to a month, thereby enabling various authorities to become needlessly aware of your activities.

If not for these two unfortunate conditions, the marijuana war wouldn't even begin to work, and the blockheads who've been bothering to fight it would've wandered off decades ago.

# "Several studies have examined cannabis use in driving simulator and on-road situations. The most comprehensive review was done by Smiley in 1986 and then again in 1999. Several trends are evident and can be described by three general performance characteristics:"1. Cannabis increased variability of speed and headway as well as lane position (Attwood, Williams, McBurney, & Frecker, 1981; Ramaekers, Robbe, & O’Hanlon, 2000; Robbe, 1998; Sexton et al., 2000; Smiley, Moskowitz, & Zeidman, 1981; Smiley, Noy, & Tostowaryk, 1987). This was more pronounced under high workload and unexpected conditions, such as curves and wind gusts.

"2. Cannabis increased the time needed to overtake another vehicle (Dott, 1972 [as cited in Smiley, 1986]) and delayed responses to both secondary and tracking tasks (Casswell, 1977; Moskowitz, Hulbert, & McGlothlin, 1976; Sexton et al., 2000; Smiley et al., 1981).

"3. Cannabis resulted in fewer attempts to overtake another vehicle(Dott, 1972) and larger distances required to pass (Ellingstad et al., 1973 [as cited in Smiley, 1986]). Evidence of increased caution also included slower speeds (Casswell, 1977; Hansteen, Miller, Lonero, Reid, & Jones, 1976; Krueger & Vollrath, 2000; Peck, Biasotti, Boland, Mallory, & Reeve, 1986; Sexton et al., 2000; Smiley et al., 1981; Stein, Allen, Cook, & Karl, 1983) and larger headways (Robbe, 1998; Smiley et al., 1987)."

Source: Laberge, Jason C., Nicholas J. Ward, "Research Note: Cannabis and Driving -- Research Needs and Issues for Transportation Policy," Journal of Drug Issues, Dec. 2004, pp. 977-8.

# "Both simulator and road studies showed that relative to alcohol use alone, participants who used cannabis alone or in combination with alcohol were more aware of their intoxication. Robbe (1998) found that participants who consumed 100 g/kg of cannabis rated their performance worse and the amount of effort required greater compared to those who consumed alcohol (0.05 BAC). Ramaekers et al. (2000) showed that cannabis use alone and in combination with alcohol consumption increased self-ratings of intoxication and decreased self-ratings of performance. Lamers and Ramaekers (2001) found that cannabis use alone (100 g/kg) and in combination with alcohol consumption resulted in lower ratings of alertness, greater perceptions of effort, and worse ratings of performance."

Source: Laberge, Jason C., Nicholas J. Ward, "Research Note: Cannabis and Driving -- Research Needs and Issues for Transportation Policy," Journal of Drug Issues, Dec. 2004, pp. 978.

# "Both Australian studies suggest cannabis may actually reduce the responsibility rate and lower crash risk. Put another way, cannabis consumption either increases driving ability or, more likely, drivers who use cannabis make adjustments in driving style to compensate for any loss of skill (Drummer, 1995). This is consistent with simulator and road studies that show drivers who consumed cannabis slowed down and drove more cautiously (see Ward & Dye, 1999; Smiley, 1999. This compensation could help reduce the probability of being at fault in a motor vehicle accident since drivers have more time to respond and avoid a collision. However, it must be noted that any behavioral compensation may not be sufficient to cope with the reduced safety margin resulting from the impairment of driver functioning and capacity."

Source: Laberge, Jason C., Nicholas J. Ward, "Research Note: Cannabis and Driving -- Research Needs and Issues for Transportation Policy," Journal of Drug Issues, Dec. 2004, pp. 980.

for flip //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. and before this gets out of hand im am NOT ADVOCATING driving while high...i am just posting some related articles because it was brought up in this thread.

spidermonkey: im assuming you are writing a response. i will be going out to lunch, and will be back to read it later //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

well yes weed is much more easier to grow...which begs the question...
if it is THAT easy to grow, and everyone would start doing it...who is actually going to make any untaxed profits from it? no body is going to buy when they can just grow it themselves.

Wrong. The masses are sheep for one. Additionally, Tobacco is legal, but not to grow at home. Tobacco isn't that hard to harvest. You can put it in a garden, but do people? NO. Alcohol is essentially easy to still(yet illegal to do so) yet no one does. If the Gov oks it, it will be controlled the same way. If it was legalized, big grow ops wuould make the product cheaper and less of a hassle then doing it at home. People will buy and pay the tax.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

welcome assjack.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Thanks for stealing my thunder jackass.

I do that from time to time.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Give it back. It is still my turn to play Zeus.

I prefer Thor!