speaking of bad, im not dumping, but from what ive been told and have learned in the past, are you sure your aiming for the right thing? it seems like your going to rock this van in the streets, which you would want crazy low aasss bass.. ive learned that comp vehicles, use any where from 50-80hz, which starts to sound like shit, but hits the meter... its not an enjoyable kind of bass... im sure just by looking at your subs, that they dont move for shiit, this is because of the super stiff spider , and yes they were made for comp, but at frequencys that we wont enjoy... at 50-80 hz, the speaker will move fast but not as deep as suspected... they really are not made for driving around town.. ive learned this from my mt's.. feel free for all the haters to bash as you wish to me, because im all set... ive got connections with people in this industry you wish you had... and as far as my score goes, its my first year and was 1st at my 1st show... im just getting started.. any problems, talk to mcvay