right on im on ty to love that site, all i know is that when i would check out dootalk last year ther were alot of unhappy customers! most of them not getting more then 1000 miles out of a motor. and i have rode alot of cats and polaris snowmobiles i rode my boss's 2010 f8 and hated everything about it, no power, suspension was ****, and was made out of the cheapest plastic possible felt like it was going to just fall apart on you, most of my friends ride cat and i have driven alot of them but the odd chance i get to get on one of my buddies polaris's i love it the handling is awesome so nimble and light and awesome power. but my yamaha takes the cake when it comes down to pure power and torque its awesome for the trails and i can do **** near everything the 2 smokes can in ditch banging plus some people are gettng 30000+miles on a motor my buddy right now has 17000 miles on his yamaha warrior. but like i said i havent driven a new skidoo so i guess i cant really say about. i am probably ging to wait another year or 2 and try out a new polaris