Skar Audio crap

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

I read it. You didn't make a single valid point in the whole post. And all of your conclusions were flawed. You think it's cool to pull the rug out from under someone because it's the "American way" and capitalism at it's finest? You're an idiot.

Im waiting for you to respond with reasoning behind your thoughts. Since your so ******* smart. Capitalism is the way of life. If you don't like it move to another country. That's how it works and it happens everyday and if you think not then your just stupid.

Explain the flaw in my conclusion please. Please tell me that no other American business has ever done this before. Its a FREE MARKET. I can call someone stupid all day that doesn't mean that anything i said is flawed. Its 100% true and its the way business is done. The point is a person can be uneducated in the way of business and make mistakes and make bad decisions. But all business either learn from there mistakes or don't. Seems Kevin has and the Skar name is booming. It just seems liek people are jealous hes making it.

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

its hard to follow emo hitler

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

I guess i was wrong, you just made me like you a bit.

I have been circus afro'd

 

[Flex68 10+ year member]

[quote name='Flex68']The For Sale thread with the (4) like new subs from an install that the customer couldn't pay for, where Skar Audio had to un-install them after about a week, and had them offered here for $160 each......if you add up the number of subs that were sold/offered on that thread, unless my math is well and truly fukked up, it was a total of 8.
(And I think that a second, very similar For Sale thread popped up nearly as soon as posting to the original stopped)

I am not making any accusations, simply saying that this seemed....."fishy"

And even though I have had no issues with Kevin , it made me question exactly what I had just purchased from that original thread, where "4" subs apparently turned into 8 without explanation....

I don't give a fiddler's damn about what happened "back when." But I don't like feeling as though I may have been had.
If you're honest and forthright, @SkarAudio , then please explain.
I would appreciate hearing it.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Imtjnotu']Prolly selling bstock as new[/QUOTE]


Yes, that is one of the possibilities that ran thru my mind....

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

Yes, that is one of the possibilities that ran thru my mind....

Or someone had a 16 sub build that they were doing and ended up not being able to pay for the subs because of personal reasons. Kevin treats his customers well and will go as far as even sometime helping them out on product. Like when he personally hand delivered my 4500.1's he had air mailed over because i needed them asap.

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

And all companies have complaints.. ALL OF THEM. I seriously doubt every company in the entire universe has complaints. Can you verify this? And the ones that do... are they due to lies, misrepresentation and flat out stealing?
This is funny because you guys are "letting people know about him" It's called feedback, jackhole. And it's done not to bash the guy, but to protect others from making the mistake of doing business with someone who may rip you off.

So are you gonna go to walmart and set up a picket to let people know how underage small children are used to make there clothes? Or go to an apple forum or store and talk **** about how there product cost 86 bucks to make but they sell it over here for 600+ or how about that car dealership that got that car for 9k they lie and sell it to you for 25k? O wait lets not talk about those scamming *** realtors who take money from the highest bidder because they want the most profit from there sale?

Yes... this is free market, "for profit" capitalism. Supply and demand. This is not stealing or scamming. It's ridiculous to compare the things people are alluding to in this thread to fucking WalMart.

The Wow thing and the box thing are the 2 things that stood out to me. I still met up with him and talked to him face to face to see where his head was at.

Ok. So, where was his head at?

I can understand that when your starting out. Especially as young as he is, you make mistakes and bad decisions. You all want to say your bringing these scams to light which is good to let people know both sides of the story. But the sad thing is if a happy customer comes to his aide you jump on them and call them sack riders.. What is mature or fair about that? But yet people who have no dealing and bearing on any of these situations can run rampant with there trash talk to be cool. How mature is that and do you o that everyday at places you frequent? Call them names tell them there garbage...

Again.. people are trying to warn other off about the person behind the whole thing. One bad apple CAN spoil the bunch if that bad apple is the OWNER. You give him a pass because he's young? That shit don't fly in my book. Take responsibilty. Man up. You want to hang a shingle out in this economy and this world, you need to have the sack to do so. You don't need to have personal dealings with anyone to know they're a douche. You also don't need to be scammed by Kevin to know not to do business with him. What's immature is you and others trying to defend the indefensable. You try to distract people with a couple deals that went well, some n00b who doesn't know any better or the fact that the things people are talking about were sooooo 5 minutes ago.

Lets go to the web look up Kicker complaints. DC complaints DD complaints Mechman DC power etc... You will find mounds of posts from unhappy people also and many many more happy customers..

One more time... were these companies stealing? Misrepresenting? Scamming? What are the nature of the complaints you are trying to get us to look up? Why don't YOU look them up and quote some similar or relevant complaints to enlighten us all on the paralells.

You have a right to complain true. but these links are still ALL the same *** old **** i have been reading for 3 years its the same 3 incidents over and over and over again. One was ****** boxes ok i agree with that.

You agree. Good. You may have a brain cell or two knocking around in there. And again... the best predictor of future behavior is guess what? That's right... past behavior.

Next was selling an amp to someone else for more money (capitalism at its finest) which is every Americans right.

This is so stupid that it doesn't even warrant an explanation. Did you read ANY of the threads or explanations about how that went down? You do know that an eBay auction is a legal, binding agreement, don't you? In effect, he broke the law.

So here we are today, All of the bashing and Trolling, He has went from 1 sub (VVX 12) to

3 lines of subs

full line of amps 800 1500 2500 4500 85.4...

components

and much more in the future.

What in the holy heck does this have to do with any dang thing? Really? He stood on Jacob's bery tall shoulders to get his foot in the door. Genius on his part because he's nowhere right now if Jacob's name wasn't attached to that sub. Are we supposed to be in awe that he can shop at Alibaba? How much R&D went into those new products. What's new and exciting about them? What do these products offer us as consumers? What sets them apart? How involved was he in the design and development? What are his credentials to do so?

So how much did all the name calling and post bashing help? Does it make people look at these types of posts and say "wow these guys are idiots" or does it seem more like "they keep beating a dead horse with the same incidents over and over again. Or do you really think people are being "informed?" All these posts are just name callign and finger pointing with no real proof of anything wrong except BAD DECISIONS.

You admit he made bad decisions. Yet, give him a pass. Why? Would you be so forgiving if it was you on the other end of any of the incidents in question? I think not. And honestly, most of it is probably trolling, but I'll bet if these guys keep one single person from choosing Skar, they've done what they set out to do. So, yeah... the name calling and bashing helps. You have no idea how much damage one dissatisfied customer can do. Let alone an entire forum full of these types of posts. If I had no idea about Skar, I would look right past your nuthuggery and focus on the negative. Why? Because I want to know WHY those people were unhappy. You do it too. You can't tell me that you look at the 98.8% positive feedbacks on eBay and skip over the 1.2% negatives. No. you go right to them to see if the guy is a scammer.

As for the contest it has nothing to do with me, but a lot of people were wondering (including me as i was a contestant also) how you go from being 3rd place to 1st in a day (over 2000 views.) Im just wanting to know how it happened and if it is legit then cool Gratz. These are my words not anyone else, personally don't care too much to give a ****.

Contest, contest, contest. You guys kill me. I don't even know the whole story, but the guy won. Pay him or whatever the hell he's entitled to. Stop being butthurt that MailBOOM didn't win even though they were cheating FOR hiim in the first place.

So continue on doing what you do Im just so glad my home forums is nothing like this place. We actually have to se each other at events and get together most of you wouldn't make it if this site was that closely knitted.

What's your home forum? Is it local? This one is worldwide. You think people fly out every weekend to one spot and smack Goob around? And actually, this place is very tightly knitted.

So keep flaming and hating all of you and RAM i just quoted your posts to address a point.

Trust me... it will continue.

This is why America has declined people, we take so much joy from tearing each other down. We are lazy spoiled people who ruin not only ourselves but others around us. So much jealousy and envy drives or decline. Its sad really. More people take the time to flame and bash others than trying to make things better for themselves.

I agree with some of this. Except that it isn't the people bashing that is taking this country down. It's people like Kevin who will step on others to lift himself up and take advantage of someone else to make a buck.

 

[SkarAudio 10+ year member]

I agree with some of this. Except that it isn't the people bashing that is taking this country down. It's people like Kevin who will step on others to lift himself up and take advantage of someone else to make a buck.

You couldn't be further from the truth here, and while I have chosen to stop responding to this thread in general because I am unable to change some of your minds - I don't step on anyone to put myself higher. I have lost money on countless occasions to help team members/customers with products/overnights/etc, just because I value and appreciate everyone choosing Skar.

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

You couldn't be further from the truth here, and while I have chosen to stop responding to this thread in general because I am unable to change some of your minds - I don't step on anyone to put myself higher. I have lost money on countless occasions to help team members/customers with products/overnights/etc, just because I value and appreciate everyone choosing Skar.

I don't know you personally, bro so I won't be one to insult you personally. It does say something about you that the people who DO know you personally will come in and stick up for you, but you or they won't change anyone's mind about things that have already happened.

I know EXACTLY what you did concerning those RD amps and it's disgusting. And tells me all I need to know. I really don't care for your products so I wouldn't buy them anyway, but like I said, past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior. And your past behavior tells me that if a situation arises and it's between you and a customer... you're going to choose you. And that doesn't sit well with me.

And of course you value people choosing Skar. Lol. It makes you money.

I don't know how old you are. Just that people are saying that you are young. I sincerely hope you do a lot of growing up, make the right choices and continue to grow. As long as you innovate or offer something that others can't. Or do it better than they can.

It's just a shame that you had to make so many bad decisions to decide to come to the right ones. We all do. But most of us don't hurt others in the process.

I really wish you would start a new thread to air out all of this BS. Address these things out in the open, man and tell us what you did to resolve them. People keep bringing up the same stuff? Well, address it and put it to bed. Even if it's just, "Look, I screwed up. I'm sorry." Man up about it. You're in the crosshairs. Make the person behind the trigger choose not to shoot instead of dodging the bullet.

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

I agree with some of this. Except that it isn't the people bashing that is taking this country down. It's people like Kevin who will step on others to lift himself up and take advantage of someone else to make a buck.

Since you took such a long time to reply with nonsense let me just make it quick.

No not every company in the universe but YOU prove otherwise?.

What did he steal exactly?

I know its called feed back. Can it be from those who dealt with him and not some knob gobbler riding others coat tails? And how about for the 3-4 incidents brought up in this thread has someone offered positive feedback in return just to be told there d riders?

Yes i read what went down. Now did you? Have you even read the Ebay agreement? You can refund for any reason. Happens all day everyday...... Stop watching matlock it doesn't make you a lawyer.

I gave him a pass because it had nothing to do with his current business. I know as a rational adult that a guy this young dumping the kind of money into a company is gonna do his best to make it succeed. The previous incidents weren't really that bad more bad decisions than anything. No one needs to name call if there giving feed back right? Are we kids or supposedly grown *** men and women? Calling me a nuthugger when your hugging just as tight?? Yes i wanna see what made a person leave bad feed back. And you know what? Half the time i ignore it because its some moron bashing instead of offering a serious reason as to why? Shipping to long.. they say item wasnt described right (but they really didn't read the ad right). or even REFUNDING the money which btw you said was illegal. So that point is moot.

You said you didn't know the whole story about the contest then claim that I wanted Maliboom to win...Can you read? I was a contestant also. If your gonna bash at least get the facts correct i said it in plain text. LOL you like like a dumb *** on this point..

My home forum is Floridaspl.com it is very tight knit as we are all competitors that travel around Florida for meets and have constant meet and greets, team meat ups and such. Most everyone on the forum comes to a show or a meet or even just help out. Some of you have never met not true on our forum.

If you want this to be true feedback. Make it civil and dont attack a person for leaving a positive remark about him, unless of course its just a hate thread which everyone has clearly stated its not.

 

[Under Pressure 10+ year member]

I don't know you personally, bro so I won't be one to insult you personally. It does say something about you that the people who DO know you personally will come in and stick up for you, but you or they won't change anyone's mind about things that have already happened.
I know EXACTLY what you did concerning those RD amps and it's disgusting. And tells me all I need to know. I really don't care for your products so I wouldn't buy them anyway, but like I said, past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior. And your past behavior tells me that if a situation arises and it's between you and a customer... you're going to choose you. And that doesn't sit well with me.

And of course you value people choosing Skar. Lol. It makes you money.

And man everyone makes mistakes including you and me you cant tell me you never did something that you didnt learn from and improve on.

I don't know how old you are. Just that people are saying that you are young. I sincerely hope you do a lot of growing up, make the right choices and continue to grow. As long as you innovate or offer something that others can't. Or do it better than they can.

It's just a shame that you had to make so many bad decisions to decide to come to the right ones. We all do. But most of us don't hurt others in the process.

I really wish you would start a new thread to air out all of this BS. Address these things out in the open, man and tell us what you did to resolve them. People keep bringing up the same stuff? Well, address it and put it to bed. Even if it's just, "Look, I screwed up. I'm sorry." Man up about it. You're in the crosshairs. Make the person behind the trigger choose not to shoot instead of dodging the bullet.

again you read how many people have dealt with him and he took care of them ? But still say the same thing... So your were there on the Rd amp deal also?? Must work for ebay or was there when it all went down.

and since you don't like his products why comment at all? Im killin um round where im at and it has the wow factor that didnt cost me thousands of dollars Skar diggs the lows and sounds good doing it the product is very nice for its price range.

 

[Dirtrider4eva 10+ year member]

You can't even play the hey I'm young and I mess up by intentionally screwing people over.. Look at AT.. His company can't go any better

And there Is not a single complaint from them..

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

@BiggBoi

I think you're confusing me with some of the other posters in this thread. I haven't attacked him or called names. I can only go by what information is given.

And who's nuts am I hugging? I don't understand that one.

As far as the contest... I do remember reading something about how it went down. And I did say that THEY were "cheating" for maliBOOM. Not you. Something about hyping his vid on their FB or something? I don't know.

Honestly, you guys defending him and stooping to everyone else's level by name calling and hurling the same insults back at people isn't helping his or your case at all.

Matlock? Really? Lol.

All of you guys on his side can talk till you're blue in the face and it won't help. The only person that can "clear his name" is Kevin himself. Any attempts by anyone else to do so is just going to get the nuthugger or d rider tag.

I'm glad you like Skar, man. And Kevin if you know him. And if this were to happen to one of my buddies, I might be on the other side of the fence, but I would get the whole story first. I wouldn't let those past transgressions slide on principle and be in here vehemently defending it.

It's really just... whatever. Lol. Skar isn't even a blip on my radar. They can't run with me and my gear so I concern myself not with them. but you guys rock it. More power to you.

 

[slim2fattycake 10+ year member]

You can't even play the hey I'm young and I mess up by intentionally screwing people over.. Look at AT.. His company can't go any betterAnd there Is not a single complaint from them..

wouldn't say that...

 

[Flex68 10+ year member]

You couldn't be further from the truth here, and while I have chosen to stop responding to this thread in general because I am unable to change some of your minds - I don't step on anyone to put myself higher. I have lost money on countless occasions to help team members/customers with products/overnights/etc, just because I value and appreciate everyone choosing Skar.

I am sorry you chose not to respond to my post....