Silver flute 6.5 + SEAS or Vifa tweets... can I go passive?

[zako 10+ year member]

You guys are giving the dumbest crossover frequencies I have ever heard. The correct answer is somewhere around 2.0kHz to 3.0kHz. No more, no less. Higher and you get some nasty breakup from most 6.5"s plus very crappy off-axis response plus you want your drivers to ideally be flat 2 octaves (four times the frequency) past your crossover, but at least one octave. Also keep sensitivities and locations of the drivers (speakers, not the driver of the car, haha) in mind.

This depends on the woofer. Some woofers _have_ to be crossed at 2KHz. A lot of woofers play into very high frequencies. For example, all Hybrid Audio woofers can play into 5KHz and higher. Often active users cross them at 6KHz or so. This is entirely driver dependent. There is enough test data to see the usable frequency range of many popular drivers (e.g. DIYMA klipper tests, zaphaudio.com, etc). My personal preference is to stick with woofers that can be crossed high, leaving tweeters to just play the treble. This should be better for imaging if the tweeter is far apart from the woofer, and most tweeter distort below 4KHz anyways. I'd experiment with 2-way speakers that can be crossed at around 2Khz if I had a high performance (large format?) tweeter and it could be placed near the midbass..

 

[zako 10+ year member]

Thanks for the information yall, good stuff. So how will I like the Flutes? In my experience in home theatre DIY usually is on par with mass market products around 3x the price. Will this setup compete with a pair of DLS UP6 that I can get for around the same price?

Someone on DIYMA compared HAT L6 with Flutes. The conclusion was that L6 is slightly better, but horrible value given the prices of HAT products. Flutes are a great value.

The only concern is.. will they survive for long in a harsh car environment?

 

[lingling1337 10+ year member]

The only concern is.. will they survive for long in a harsh car environment?

I don't understand why they wouldn't...

 

[disturbed471985 5,000+ posts]

I have mine crossed at 100hz-3800. Not a single issue with breakup. Are they the best mid in the world no are they the best mid for under $50 each you bet they are. With my 4 you would be almost temped to say I have a sub in he trunk "yes a small sub on low power" but it does everything I need a set of mids to do and they do it on the cheap.. As far as will they hold up in a car enviroment well I have been running flutes for atleast 3 years and not ever have I had a failure I am on my 3rd and 4th set now. Previous sets were sold to members on this forum when money got tight.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

I don't understand why they wouldn't...

Do u plan on using your car as a submarine on the weekends?

If not, they'll be fine.

 

[lingling1337 10+ year member]

Do u plan on using your car as a submarine on the weekends?


If not, they'll be fine.

Right on. I'll probably grab a set of XOs on ebay... if I was going really over the top I might get them custom made, but there's an MBquart on ebay for cheap that crosses over at 2,800. If I miss that there are always the Swiss Audio XOs that cross at the same point. Thanks for all the help guys, sounds like I have my system figured out.

EDIT2: nvm looks like the tweets are actually suited to an XO closer to 3k so 2.8k should be perfect.

EDIT: Disturbed, how are you liking your setup? Looks pretty similar to what I want to do, though you've probably done more acoustics than me.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

I linked u a 2.5k xover on parts express.

 

[disturbed471985 5,000+ posts]

Right on. I'll probably grab a set of XOs on ebay... if I was going really over the top I might get them custom made, but there's an MBquart on ebay for cheap that crosses over at 2,800. If I miss that there are always the Swiss Audio XOs that cross at the same point. Thanks for all the help guys, sounds like I have my system figured out.
EDIT2: nvm looks like the tweets are actually suited to an XO closer to 3k so 2.8k should be perfect.

EDIT: Disturbed, how are you liking your setup? Looks pretty similar to what I want to do, though you've probably done more acoustics than me.

I got a good bit of work to get them perfect but the good thing is that I have a HU that will allow me to do the tweaks that need to be done to get it to my goal. Mine are in glassed door pods they are not 100% air tight but I would say atleast 75-90% LOL.. My doors are full dead so I have done the best I could do get them in the best possible situation for them to perform as intended. Only downfall is I wish I did not have some many eq and slope options gonna take hours upon hours to get it just right LOL.

 

[mojozoom]

I'd consider mounting the tweets in the kicks and the xover under the dash. Too much water in the doors for a bare pcb and the kick is technically a better spot fpr the tweets in your setup.v