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nuh i had to make room and didnt want to go all out in my truck. simply not enough room for what i would want to do and use the horns. remodeling a house thats stuffed with everything since i graduated highschool in 89 made me sell alot of things.

 
can someone explain to me how a horn at sub-knee level, pointing forward, can make a soundstage on top of the dash. i'm speaking in terms of physics and a scientific explanation. i'm guessing it has to do with dispersion but could one of yall experts go further in depth? TIA.

 
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can someone explain to me how a horn at sub-knee level, pointing forward, can make a soundstage on top of the dash. i'm speaking in terms of physics and a scientific explanation. i'm guessing it has to do with dispersion but could one of yall experts go further in depth? TIA.

Horns dispersion isn't just straight forward.....they also have a lot of verticle dispersion. The horns are actually designed to be used very off-axis like that (for various other reasons, aswell). And, what ends up happening is that the sound from the horns follows up the dash, giving you that nice high soundstage. That's why it's always a good idea to have a "connecting bridge" between the top of the mouth of the horn, and the bottom of your dash.

Also, ever notice why car audio horns are flared, and most pro/home audio horns aren't?? It's to fascilitate the horizontal dispersion of the horns. Due to the close confines of the automotive enviornment, the horn needs to actually divert most of it's energy towards the center of the vehicle (and opposite listener) to give you that nice center imaging. That's why the straight pro-audio style horns (like are sold on partsexpress) won't work very well in a car without tons and tons of work. Tonality may sound good, but the imaging would be screwed up.

Don't think that was very "technical" or "scientific".....but that's basically, in a nut shell, what's happening.

 
Vertical disperson on ribbon tweeters are alright. The LCYs are more forgiving since the actual ribbons are wider than say the Aurum Cantus G2si. Horizontal disperson? what's that? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Horns and ribbon tweeters are very different physically and sonically. Ribbons are easier to put in the kick area than mounting horns under the dash (especially if you have those big cd2s where you'll want strong braces to keep them hanging). But out of the box, the horns will eat crap on the ribbons as far as imaging and sound staging. You thought imaging and staging small format dome tweeters was hard? Try doing so with ribbons and see exactly how much longer it'll take. As least in dome tweeters, the dispersion is uniform. In ribbons, the dispersion is limited to vertically and right on on-axis otherwise you can lose a lot of volume.

Secondly, they both sound different. Some people find horns to be very lively and upfront. Some *may* consider horns kind of harsh, but thats probably due to the fact that the horns are playing a wide range of freq and that usually makes it sound a bit harsher. Ribbons sound more airy or transparent. They have the shimmery sparkly highs that you probably won't find much with horns. Set up right, they can be less fatiguing than horns.

Lastly, ribbons can be tougher to integrate into a system, especially a 2-way system. Smaller ribbons are not able to get down as low as horns. Most horns will have no trouble playing at 1000hz. Lots of ribbons, depending how big they are, are limited to around 1.5 or so. The Aurum Cantus G2si are limited to around 2.5khz. Finding a mid to get up there is going to be pretty tough, especially if you have to use it for midbass also.

horns and ribbons are for different folks. From what I have seen, many people prefer one or the other. Not many will like them both equally (different taste in sound).

 
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