Reyes vs Jeter

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Who have put up some impressive numbers, so dont get the runs things.
Also do you just say Gullien because he is on your team? I mean he is ok, but I dont get you comparing him to some top shortstops in the league. He had a good year, but Jeter has had many good years and Reyes will be a great shortstop if not one of the best ever when his career is over.

Personally I think the best SS fielding wise would be Omar Vizquil or Ozzie Smith hands down.

Now best hitting SS would have to go to Miguel Tejada! That guy is amazing. Hell he has a hell of a glove too.

I think Gullien would be in the top 10, but I would say Jeter, Reyes,Tejada,Eckstien,Young,Furcal are all better than him. Rather it be past, present or future. Taking that into overall SS.

how the hell do you compare eckstein to guillen? lets see eckstein's numbers, 293 avg, guillen 317, eckstein 2 HR, guillen 19, eckstein 23 rbi's, guillen 80, eckstein obp 353, guillen 398, eckstein slugging 344, guillen 500 what the hell is wrong with you? hell guillen even has over double the stolen bases that eckstein has, and over 30 more runs scored. also i said guillen bats BEHIND magglio so he doesn't have magglio behind him to drive him in. reyes has 3 100 rbi guys batting behind him, the tigers only have 1 player with 100 rbi's and that is magglio. guillen also leads furcal in every offensive category except stolen bases and runs scored. guillen ranks ahead of michael young in every offensive category except rbi's. also i've posted this before, if you take what guillen has done in DETROIT not seattle, and averaged it over 162 games, he is right up there with jeter in all major offensive categories. you can't argue numbers. at the very least guillen is a top 5 SS. why you are bringing in ozzie smith into the disscussion is beyond me since he hasn't been in the league for awhile

 

[luvinthebass 5,000+ posts]

ozzie hasn't been in the league for years now, he does commentary for the st. louis cardinals

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Ozzie Smith, Omar Vizquel ... I remember these people from when I used to collect baseball cards ... when I was like 6 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
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detroit is the first city ever to have a nba and nhl team with the best record in there respective leagues in the same year, also the tigers are competing for the best record in baseball so your statement seems uneducated //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

according to ESPN.......NY's top SS is Reyes

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[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

BTW...check Reyes' numbers with RISP and 2 outs

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[DragonCub 10+ year member]

how the hell do you compare eckstein to guillen? lets see eckstein's numbers, 293 avg, guillen 317, eckstein 2 HR, guillen 19, eckstein 23 rbi's, guillen 80, eckstein obp 353, guillen 398, eckstein slugging 344, guillen 500 what the hell is wrong with you? hell guillen even has over double the stolen bases that eckstein has, and over 30 more runs scored. also i said guillen bats BEHIND magglio so he doesn't have magglio behind him to drive him in. reyes has 3 100 rbi guys batting behind him, the tigers only have 1 player with 100 rbi's and that is magglio. guillen also leads furcal in every offensive category except stolen bases and runs scored. guillen ranks ahead of michael young in every offensive category except rbi's. also i've posted this before, if you take what guillen has done in DETROIT not seattle, and averaged it over 162 games, he is right up there with jeter in all major offensive categories. you can't argue numbers. at the very least guillen is a top 5 SS. why you are bringing in ozzie smith into the disscussion is beyond me since he hasn't been in the league for awhile

I have to agree with you on Eckstien, I can't possibley see how anyone can place him in the Top 5.

but the runs thing, you statement doesn't hold. You say Reyas has more runs cause he 3 100 RBI guys behind him? That has some factor in it, but the thing is Reyes gets himself in position to score runs and in turn that gets those guys their RBI's. Now if Gullien was doing the same, he would have more runs and the guys behind him would have more RBI's.

 

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

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much lub dragoncub

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[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

omar vizquel>all

fielding that is

 

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

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[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

I have to agree with you on Eckstien, I can't possibley see how anyone can place him in the Top 5.
but the runs thing, you statement doesn't hold. You say Reyas has more runs cause he 3 100 RBI guys behind him? That has some factor in it, but the thing is Reyes gets himself in position to score runs and in turn that gets those guys their RBI's. Now if Gullien was doing the same, he would have more runs and the guys behind him would have more RBI's.

guillen's obp is 50 points higher then reyes, and guillen has 40 doubles, and a higher slugging percent so he is putting himself in scoring position. guillen ranks 8th in the AL in obp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

BTW...check Reyes' numbers with RISP and 2 outs

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guillen is batting 333 with risp 2 outs. not too shaby

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

guillen also has 96 runs scored so it's not like he is lagging behind. guillen bats 5th in the lineup and there aren't a lot of run producers behind him. i would actually like leyland to move guillen to 3rd, behind polanco and granderson, magglio 4th and monroe 5th

 

[DragonCub 10+ year member]

guillen's obp is 50 points higher then reyes, and guillen has 40 doubles, and a higher slugging percent so he is putting himself in scoring position. guillen ranks 8th in the AL in obp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

yes, his OBP might be a little higher, but you forget the main ingredient in this whole recipe: SPEED!!! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[DragonCub 10+ year member]

IDK, ESPN is Jeter bias.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2603818&POLL258=1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[GrayMatter4tw 10+ year member]

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