Pure Cone Area vs Motor

[Full Tilt 10+ year member]

In most cases more cone area will be louder, the only time that wont be true is if your comparing garbage woofers to something really good. Like if you were comparing 2 12s to 1 15 the 15 would have to have atleast double the xmax and a **** ton of motor force to louder than the 2 12s

I -somewhat- agree with this statement.

Usually, if you're having this argument, you end up comparing two -not so good- drivers to some thing that's pretty-well built. You're trying to compare motor force to cone area, so in order to have greater motor force, you end up needing to compare something like the Solo X to the Comps. Two total opposite ends of the spectrum. I, personally, think that the Solo X would outplay those comps in the correct box. That's not only relevant to the 'Motor force v. cone area' debate, but simply because the Solo X was the best that Kicker had to offer.

Besides, I don't like the whole 'cone area is king' saying. Though it may have more technical cone area, a 15" square driver isn't going to automatically produce more output than a 15" round driver.

I think more people just need to realize that there is no one factor that will get you a great sub. Pure cone area will not make your sub loud, nor will pure motor force. It's a composition of probably hundreds of factors that get you a nice-sounding, overall well-performing subwoofer setup.

 

[DJSmooth245 10+ year member]

^^^ and thats def the point im trying to make. when comparing across brand models..it shouldnt be so cut and dry as more cone area is king....everything you stated above should be clearly stated to noobs because if not...everyone will figure more is better all the time and 90% of setups will be trashy

 

[DJSmooth245 10+ year member]

MTX 9500 15" OR 2 KICKER L7 10....both in ported box..i have enough space for both...now in optimal enclosures which would be better overall for pure spl down low?

btw 9500 has a 4" voice coil //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

MTX 9500 15" OR 2 KICKER L7 10....both in ported box..i have enough space for both...now in optimal enclosures which would be better overall for pure spl down low?
btw 9500 has a 4" voice coil //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif

MTX 9500

More cone area and motor force lol

Plus you can rebuild the motor to something even better.

 

[DJSmooth245 10+ year member]

lol nice reference. but as far as rebuilding subs...i dont even have the slightest clue as to how that is even done..lol

 

[DJSmooth245 10+ year member]

so.....this guy on craigslist messages me and tries to tell me that i am wrong when stating that Two kicker L7s will outhit a circle 15. I told him that in the correct enclosure the 2 10s will out hit it given the cone area as well as low hz. he said that his circle 12 was running off 3k power and would prolly outhit 2 SQUARE 10s. Again i told him he was mistaken. More power does not equate to being louder...its all in the enclosure. and given the obvious cone area in this situation and enclosure..the only way the 12 will win is by a better enclosure and being made properly without any cheap parts. so all in all the 10s SHOULD hit harder but thats on a regular basis...when switching to heavy duty subs and big fkers..then the whole aspect changes.....

The dude wasnt even interested in the subs..he just emailed me to "call me out" and turns out he was wrong..lol craigslisters these days!!!