nothing like the smell of burnt voice coils in the morning

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

ignorant quote of they day


so are you trying to argue against physics?? good luck

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[dennit469 10+ year member]

yall say a multi meter as in like a just a voltage meter? i have a few on them

 

[shaneb 10+ year member]

you are entitled to your opinion, but I set mine on heavy sustained music and it has done beautifully.
nothing is better than actual numbers. If I am playing music and set gains with a dmm and the heaviest music I listen too, then the only more accurate way would be with a scope(which will still be off depending on what your signal is.

Dude, music is dynamic, you will NEVER avoid clipping/get potential from the amp while playing music.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

I'll argue with him. How many people know their TRUE output of their amps, cause all these people with Hifonics are setting with a DMM and not taking into account the way Hifonics rates their Amps? Do they really see Also, are people setting them with just a DMM? Or are you using a test tone? What sensitivity was your test tone recorded at? How do you know the amp still isn't clipping? Are you going to trust the Manufacturer to tell you when it clips? I wouldn't.

Unless you are using the PROPER test tone, and a O-scope. This little "set it with a DMM boner" is worthless.

all an o-scope will tell you is when the output signal begins to clip. It has the same flaws as the dmm method, but the dmm will tell you what the output is in A perfect situation.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Dude, music is dynamic, you will NEVER avoid clipping/get potential from the amp while playing music.

dynamic yes. but why set gains on a tone when music will never reach that signal level????

if you use a heavy sustain bass note from actual music, then you know you are at the limits.

edit: and then WTF is the point of having a woofer if you aren't going to play music

 

[shaneb 10+ year member]

all an o-scope will tell you is when the output signal begins to clip. It has the same flaws as the dmm method, but the dmm will tell you what the output is in A perfect situation.

What flaws are those? Amps are rated with a Tone, so if you put a tone on it, and use a O-scope, you know where Clipping is.

Music will almost NEVER push a amp into clipping if you use a tone to set the gains. It may for a millisecond but that's the nature of music, it's constantly changing.

 

[dennit469 10+ year member]

well shit all i was sayin is ti was burning haha nothin about it sounding bad or sounding maxed out, it sounds very good and not maxxed out, its also in a ported box if that help, not a very good box cause i made it but its decent

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

oscope will be the most accurate

 

[shaneb 10+ year member]

dynamic yes. but why set gains on a tone when music will never reach that signal level????
if you use a heavy sustain bass note from actual music, then you know you are at the limits.

Okay, but you people are arguing that with a DMM you are setting them to precision. "You can't argue with physics" well, you aren't using flawless methods. 100 bucks says one day you put a song in there that hits harder than that one. It doesn't have to be a continuous beat, but it just has to hit harder in parts.

You can't possibly tell me that you know the frequency of your "song" will affect the other sub bass frequencies properly.

Also, what bout a front end amp? Am I gonna put a song in my 3 front stage amps that will play a continuous voice? or drum constantly playing.

I'm just saying, unless you set your gains with a DMM alll the way, using all the proper methods, you might as well not bother. you will either over drive your amp, or never get to hear it play it's potential.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

What flaws are those? Amps are rated with a Tone, so if you put a tone on it, and use a O-scope, you know where Clipping is. Music will almost NEVER push a amp into clipping if you use a tone to set the gains. It may for a millisecond but that's the nature of music, it's constantly changing.

you set your gains with a tone and see if your system is balanced. setting with a 0db tone as most tell you is ridiculous seeing as music will never reach 0db signal. if you to it this way, then the amp will never put out the rated power.

the flaws I speak of is that the input signal will change over music and both the dmm and scope depend on that input signal level to determine voltage(dmm) and clipping(scope)

 

[Trey803 5,000+ posts]

i set my gains by ear but I can hear distortion long before most other people do

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Okay, but you people are arguing that with a DMM you are setting them to precision. "You can't argue with physics" well, you aren't using flawless methods. 100 bucks says one day you put a song in there that hits harder than that one. It doesn't have to be a continuous beat, but it just has to hit harder in parts.You can't possibly tell me that you know the frequency of your "song" will affect the other sub bass frequencies properly.

Also, what bout a front end amp? Am I gonna put a song in my 3 front stage amps that will play a continuous voice? or drum constantly playing.

I'm just saying, unless you set your gains with a DMM alll the way, using all the proper methods, you might as well not bother. you will either over drive your amp, or never get to hear it play it's potential.

don't get off on a tangent. we are talking about sub amps. the volume levels will be preset to a max of listening levels. I would not set a front stage with dmm method because of your reasoning above.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

going to class...will be back in a few minutes to argue my point:veryhapp://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

edit: back (supply chain management FTL:crap

 

[shaneb 10+ year member]

Okay, so what would you say if I told you I have my gains all the way turned off?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Okay, so what would you say if I told you I have my gains all the way turned off?

gains all the way down? then you must an extremely high voltage into the amp.

maybe you have a signal amplifier(can't remember the name of it) or you have a switch to change the range of the gain pot

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