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ATF abuses before Congress

Guns Magazine, August, 2006

A panel of witnesses testified before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security on abuses suffered at the hands of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and of the need for reform. Richard Gardiner, an attorney who is an expert in federal firearms law, stated, "The ATF tends to focus or has a significant focus on trivial, immaterial violations which are unrelated to public safety."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_/ai_n16498994

 
FEDS TRASH LAW-ABIDINGGUN OWNER'S HOME

by Richard E. Gardiner

"Well, it's been a rough month," begins Johnnie Lawmaster. "I just get laid off, and my divorce became final. But I just wasn't ready for what happened this particular Monday."

That particular Monday was was December 16, the first day of the Bill of Rights' third century, the day when federal agents and local law enforcement officers broke into the house in Tulsa that always flew the U.S. flag. When Lawmaster drove into the driveway that bleak afternoon, one of his neighbors had some news.

"'Ohmigod, John, you are in big trouble!' my neighbor tells me. 'Sixty police, federal agents and the bomb squad busted into your house, kicked down the door, cut locks off your gun safe.' I couldn't believe it. Then I walked inside. What a nightmare."

It was no nightmare; it was horribly real life. Apparently acting on information the Lawmaster possessed an illegal firearm, some thirty agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) teamed up with state and Tulsa police authorities, search warrant in hand, to search for a "Colt, AR-15, .223 caliber machine gun, unknown serial number."

The warrant, issued by U.S. Magistrate John Leo Wagner, also authorized agents to seize "any tools used in the alateration or modification of firearms, such as files or drills;documents, papers, books, records, and other tangible properties which identify occupants or owners of the property to be searched...."

Reports vary, but according to neighbors, the joint task force operation aimed at the unemployed warehouseman from a nearby hospital involved some 60 agents and local law enforcement personnel against Lawmaster. They cordoned off the street; took station with weapons drawn in the back yard; used a battering ram to break through the front door; kicked inthe back door; broke into his gun safe; threw personal papers around the house; spilled boxes of ammunition on the floor; broke into a small, locked box that contained precious coins; stood on a table to peer through the ceiling tiles, breaking the table in the process. Then, they left. The doors were closed but not latched, much less locked. The ammo and guns were left unsecured.

"My neighbor said about 20 officers hid by the back shed and a boat trailered in the back yard before they began kicking in the back door. They broke the lock on the shed and left it open.

"My front and back doors were pulled shut, but they were busted through and couldn't latch. Anybody could have waltzed in there and stolen everything I own. A child could have taken a gun. The guns, the safe -- everything was open and laying around. I keep all my magazines empty, but someone had loaded them. While I was looking around in amazement, the gas, electric and water companies show up to turn the power off. They said they were told to shut things down.

Then I found the note. "Nothing Found - ATF."

One agent pressed the neighbor for information about Lawmaster. Agents began to break through the door of a trailer parked in Lawmaster's back yard, but the neighbor protested. "It was his trailer," Lawmaster relates. "He had a key and let them in. Then he asked my neighbor of I had an AR-15, and he said, 'Yeah.' 'Does he have an auto sear,' and my neighbor said, 'I don't know.' But my neighbor had an NRA cap on, so the agent said, 'Lapse of memory, huh?'"

Lawmaster's neighbor told him the agent nodded towards the neighbor's hat -- a cap bearing the NRA insignia. "The agent said, 'You're one of *them* and you don't know what an auto sear is?"

"The agent then pulled a book from the top of Lawmaster's stereo and, flipping through it, asked the neighbor about the photographs of firearms that were pictured in the book. 'Does he have this? Does he have this?' the agent keeps asking and my neighbor says 'No, no....'"

"They didn't make any attempt to notify me. I've lived in Tulsa all my life and never got more than a traffic ticket. How come they can't look that up, realize I've been law-abiding my whole life, then come to the door when I'm home? They didn't leave someone here to watch over my private property. They didn't even come by to explain what happened. They just raided my home, ransaked it, left it wide open and left."

Lawmaster placed a phone call to the local BATF agent. "I asked, 'Are you gonna' arrest me?' and he said, 'No.' I asken him, "Who is going to repair and clean up my house?' And he said, "If you're going to talk to me, come down to my office.'

"'I can't come down!' I said. 'My doors are broken!' If I had been on vacation and I didn't have friendly neighbors, I would have lost everything I own. Here I am a competent, responsible firearms owner, and the government leaves them open, unlocked, with ammo strewn around."

Lawmaster said the agent advised him, "If you want your door to lock and your gun safe to lock, you're gonna' have to pay for it yourself."

"'Oh, I'll come right down, alright,' I told him. 'I'll come down, but I'll bring my attorney.' And he said, 'Well, you bring your attorney, and we won't talk to you.'"

Lawmaster has gone back to cleaning up his home....restowing his firearms and ammunition....pulling a leather holster out of his dog's water bowl....arranging cans of food back in the cupboard....righting his bed....sorting through the Christmas presents that were dumped on the floor....putting his life back in order.

When Lawmaster's attorney went to the U.S. Courthouse to obtain a copy of the affidavit supporting the search warrant so that he could determine whether there was probable cause for the issuance fo the warrant, he was told by court officials that the U.S. Attorney had asked that the affidavit be sealed. Wondering what exactly the government was trying to hide, Lawmaster's attorney, working together with the NRA's Legislative Counsel, is filing a motion asking the court to unseal the affidavit.

"You wouldn't believe the number of NRA members who have called to offer assistance. And I've asked them to call my congressman, [u.S. Rep. James M.] Inhofe. And they're telling him 'The government can't be allowed to do this to good people. This has got to be stopped.'"

http://www.atfabuse.com/atfabuse-18.html

Not cool. That is beyond messed up. They would definitely have been hearing from me and my lawyer that afternoon.

Wow. I hate the government.

 
In case you mistakenly think they are just a little over zeolous about enforcing gun laws, but they probably mean well... no, they're thieves who are only interested in having a legal pretex to rob you and expand their power.

Friday, June 6, 2008

Representative Bill Sali is introducing a bill to send a message to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

(BATFE) that freedom still means something in this country.

As part of its Asset Forfeiture training program for agents, the BATFE ordered 2,000 Leatherman tools inscribed with the words "ATF, Always Think Forfeiture." The program urges agents to focus on seizing private property.

Rep Sali believes the agency should be thinking 'Freedom,' not 'Forfeiture.' The Idaho Republican complained about the program and recieved a letter from Acting ATF Director Michael Sullivan, who apologized for the "confusion" over the issue.

While Rep. Sali appreciated the apology, he said that, "My constituents deserve to know the truth about this marketing program, which has been interpreted by many Idahoans as anti-gun and anti-private property."

The agency halted distribution of the tools in the face of public outcry, but "[t]he fact remains that the ATF thought it was OK to think 'Always Think Forfeiture' instead of focusing on protecting our constitutional rights," Sali said.

In a letter to his fellow Congressmen, Sali noted that "the inscription raises serious concerns to law-abiding citizens as to the intent of an ATF agent who is performing investigations, particularly with respect to law-abiding gun owners."

Rep. Sali plans to introduce the 'Always Think Freedom' bill sometime next week. The bill will prohibit the agency from making purchases of tool kits "on which any reminder of forfeiture appears."

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/your-gun-rights-election-2008/54055-batfe-ordered-2-000-leatherman-tools-inscribed-always-think-forfeiture.html
‘ATF = ‘Always Think Forfeiture’

 
Do you mean the Saiga 12 gauge semi auto? If so, then they are still being imported.
For the money your spending you could have gotten much better guns.

If they do ban guns with mags you will still have crappy guns.

Go buy yourself an AR15 and a Glock.
wow great taste. way to be original. an AR and a Glock. that springfield he is talking about is jsut as good if not better. as are the s&w m&p series. ive fired all three and whereas the glock is a good gun, its not the be all end all everyone makes them out to be. theyre like the bose of handguns.

i'd rather have an m4 than an ar 15 as well. mainly for looks as any advantage the ar 15 (m16) offers in combat would be not needed as a civilain. still a great gun.

my vote is get teh xd and the m4

 
wow great taste. way to be original. an AR and a Glock. that springfield he is talking about is jsut as good if not better. as are the s&w m&p series. ive fired all three and whereas the glock is a good gun, its not the be all end all everyone makes them out to be. theyre like the bose of handguns.
i'd rather have an m4 than an ar 15 as well. mainly for looks as any advantage the ar 15 (m16) offers in combat would be not needed as a civilain. still a great gun.

my vote is get teh xd and the m4
You joined this thread late. He added those other guns much later. Orginally the post was just the mac and the eaa semi. Junk guns.

BTW, the M4 is an AR15.

 
the glocks are ok, i have a .357 sig....but i love my Kimber the most, also have a Colt Combat Elite 45
my uncle has one of those, I like the 45's better

no rifle season here FTL...slug gun only, 3 shells max and you gotta have a plug
where u at my Dad said it was like that when he stayed in Deleware, its still slugs only in lower MI but we can have 5 shots in our guns

In case you mistakenly think they are just a little over zeolous about enforcing gun laws, but they probably mean well... no, they're thieves who are only interested in having a legal pretex to rob you and expand their power.
‘ATF = ‘Always Think Forfeiture’
Thats the cops in general I mean common man, your telling me they really care about speeders so they set up camaras on the highway, ok they took your picture while you were going 105 but by the time the ticket got to your house you have already killed your self and a family in a mini van.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif its always about the money:greedy:

Always Think ****em

 
that is a messed up story. i would be unleashing every gun i had in a violent revolution.

i mean...i would be upset. very very upset.

and has Louisiana CRX seriously not posted pictures of his guns yet?

 
Apparently you know as little about the subject as he does. Thank the ATF. They have been known to burn your house down and kill your family because someone "said" they cut a barrel 1/2" inch too short or "said" they "heard" someone talking about modifing a weapon to full auto. Lots of people have gone to jail for "conspiracy to commit a felony" without ever having to actually do the deed.Simple converstations about "how" it would be possible to convert a weapon have resulted in prison time. Possesion of parts that "could" convert your gun to full auto is the same as spraying a parking lot with a full auto fire.

BTW, there is no "permit" to make a semi auto into a full auto. That is a felony, every time. 10 years of bubba-pound-you-the-*** federal prison.

No joke. You do not fvck around with illegal mods.

Even possesing the drum mag for that shotgun in your home will turn into what they call a "tack on" charge. No one is going to find out about it, until you get in trouble for something else, say a domestic dispute, then the cops find it and then turn what was a minor incident into a major federal case and charge you with a felony = bubba-pound-you-in-the-*** federal prison.

Do a search for ATF cases and abuses. It's disgusting what they have done to people for what is basically a small tax violation. The ATF is evil, treat them as such.
Wow your pretty ignorant. First off that first statement is just completely retarted.

Second, have you ever heard of a class III license/dealer? Obviously not:rolleyes:.

And final the knoxx drum conversion kits for the pump action shotguns are completely legal and do not make them a class 3 device like you stated earlier.

 
And to the OP. You said you paid $350 for the mac 11? Sorry to say but thats a rip off, i paid about $250 for mine brand new and sold it shortly after, i hated that gun. It was constantly jamming and failing to feed. And when it did work it had a horrible trigger slap that got painful after a little while. If your looking for a fun carbine id HIGHLY reccomend you look into the beretta cx4 storm.

 
In case you mistakenly think they are just a little over zeolous about enforcing gun laws, but they probably mean well... no, they're thieves who are only interested in having a legal pretex to rob you and expand their power.

‘ATF = ‘Always Think Forfeiture’
and if that was the case about mentioning modified guns and whatnot almost every rapper in existince would be locked up

 
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