Nailguns

[Goldtaz1 10+ year member]

I've never had much of an issue with this occurring, I guess that is because I don;t use the air nailer past the operational PSI requirement needed to drive the nails.
I don't like using staples in mdf because there is more of a tendency for splitting due to the tines of the staple being so close together.

However, regardless of that being said, the function of either type fasteners is to hold the parts together till the glue dries since it's the strength of the glue bond does all the work.

x2.

Very well said. BTW, I use 18 gauge 1 1/2" brad nails.

 

[bjfish11 5,000+ posts]

I guess Ill be that other guy....

Personally, I dont like using nails. I just feel that a screw makes a better/tighter joint while the glue dries. Sure it takes me a little bit longer to use screws than it would be to use a nail gun, but im pretty quick with a drill as well.

That is just my personal opinion...

However, I do use a brad nailer with 1 1/4" brads to attach my double baffles, and 45's.

**Edit, but no, you should have no worries splitting the wood... to answer the question...

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

i use a brad nailer for 90% of my box work and have for 10+ years and i have only had 1 box come apart on me.

but it was 4 orion xtr3 dvc 12's powered by pair hcca250r's.........if that tells you how well it works nailing a box together.that is alot of internal air pressure

i also didnt have any liquid nails that day so i used elmers wood glue:*******://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

usind brad nailers can shave a ton of time off a box build when you have 3 or 4 boxes to build and install in 1 day.

 

[Mr Cabinetry 10+ year member]

i use a brad nailer for 90% of my box work and have for 10+ years and i have only had 1 box come apart on me.
but it was 4 orion xtr3 dvc 12's powered by pair hcca250r's.........if that tells you how well it works nailing a box together.that is alot of internal air pressure

i also didnt have any liquid nails that day so i used elmers wood glue:*******://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

usind brad nailers can shave a ton of time off a box build when you have 3 or 4 boxes to build and install in 1 day.

So, you basically saying that because you used Elmers Wood glue for that box, the box didn't hold up structurally??

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

brad-nailers are awesome and time saving!

I concur.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

wouldn't you want to keep the extra strength that the screws would give you?

Screws give no strength after time of pressure pounding. The aid in construction should only be used as a means to apply pressure until glue has dried. On another note gorilla glue or anything similar is terrible to use with nailing as the expansion can pull nails out. The glue is your lasting strength, not nails or screws.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I've never had much of an issue with this occurring, I guess that is because I don;t use the air nailer past the operational PSI requirement needed to drive the nails.
I don't like using staples in mdf because there is more of a tendency for splitting due to the tines of the staple being so close together.

However, regardless of that being said, the function of either type fasteners is to hold the parts together till the glue dries since it's the strength of the glue bond does all the work.

w3rd!

 

[Notloud00 10+ year member]

i have used elmers carpentry glue on my past 3 boxes and it worked flawlees. liquid nails tho sucks ***. ask stratus

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Liquid nails is HORRIBLE.

nG

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

So, you basically saying that because you used Elmers Wood glue for that box, the box didn't hold up structurally??

i dont know for sure but it was the 1 and only time i used it to do a box build so i will assume it had some part in the problem //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif all edges were nice and straight no gaps anywhere in the joints and i usually a little overzealous with the nails too //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif and also had plenty of internal bracing.

 

[Mr Cabinetry 10+ year member]

i dont know for sure but it was the 1 and only time i used it to do a box build so i will assume it had some part in the problem //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif all edges were nice and straight no gaps anywhere in the joints and i usually a little overzealous with the nails too //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif and also had plenty of internal bracing.

Well, if the Elmers you used was the " white " glue, yeah, that would of been the source of the failure since that type of glue is more for " general purpose " arts and crafts stuff.

I've been using Elmers Pro Bond Woodworkers Glue for quite some time and haven't had any problems and when it completely dries, a box ain't coming apart unless it's beaten apart.

 

[DejaWiz 5,000+ posts]

I love using nailguns. Saved my *** in Quake numerous times. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

Well, if the Elmers you used was the " white " glue, yeah, that would of been the source of the failure since that type of glue is more for " general purpose " arts and crafts stuff.
I've been using Elmers Pro Bond Woodworkers Glue for quite some time and haven't had any problems and when it completely dries, a box ain't coming apart unless it's beaten apart.

yea it was just plain elmers carpenters glue....has a light light tan color to it.

it wasnt regular elmers glue but it also wasnt probond.......

 

[Goldtaz1 10+ year member]

Sure it takes me a little bit longer to use screws than it would be to use a nail gun, but im pretty quick with a drill as well.

You must have above human average pre-drilling/screwing skills //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/graduate.gif.d982460be9f153bb54e5d4cb744f6ae8.gif. I can't possibly fathom that it would take only a little longer considering there is no need to pre-drill anything when using a brad nailer. Anywho, you build awesome boxes so if that works for you then you definitely get the props.

 

[bjfish11 5,000+ posts]

You must have above human average pre-drilling/screwing skills //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/graduate.gif.d982460be9f153bb54e5d4cb744f6ae8.gif. I can't possibly fathom that it would take only a little longer considering there is no need to pre-drill anything when using a brad nailer. Anywho, you build awesome boxes so if that works for you then you definitely get the props.

It's all relative man. Of course it takes me longer, but it doesnt take as long to use screws as some people make it out to be. It only takes me about 30 mins to completely assemble a box with screws... so I might be able to save myself 10 mins or so...