myth vs fact

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

I know!:thumbsup

 

[buchel 10+ year member]

I know!:thumbsup

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, number one **** disturber...

~ Kyle ~

 

[AScreenName 10+ year member]

i'm going to have to disagree with the "underpowering of a speaker/subwoofer" being a myth

if you overpower an amp to clipping, and that max power still is not enough for the sub, then wouldn't the clipped signal being sent to the speaker damage it?

 

[buchel 10+ year member]

i'm going to have to disagree with the "underpowering of a speaker/subwoofer" being a mythif you overpower an amp to clipping, and that max power still is not enough for the sub, then wouldn't the clipped signal being sent to the speaker damage it?

What does that have to do with under-powering a sub?

~ Kyle ~

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

i'm going to have to disagree with the "underpowering of a speaker/subwoofer" being a mythif you overpower an amp to clipping, and that max power still is not enough for the sub, then wouldn't the clipped signal being sent to the speaker damage it?

You just contradicted yourself. The earlier post was on UNDERPOWERING a sub, you just stated overpowering a sub. Yes, you can damage a sub by overpowering it, but not by underpowering it.

 

[AScreenName 10+ year member]

What does that have to do with under-powering a sub?
~ Kyle ~

i thought i explained it pretty well

if you have a sub rated at 1500 watts rms, and you have an amp powering it that puts out 1000 watts max, and you're sending the max amount of wattage to the sub, and the signal you're sending it is clipped constantly, won't that damage the sub over time?

 

[buchel 10+ year member]

i thought i explained it pretty well
if you have a sub rated at 1500 watts rms, and you have an amp powering it that puts out 1000 watts max, and you're sending the max amount of wattage to the sub, and the signal you're sending it is clipped constantly, won't that damage the sub over time?

Yes, if the signal you are sending it is clipping, you will damage the speaker, but if you watch your gains, and don't clip the signal, even if you are giving a sub rated at 1500 rms, about 1000 watts, or even, 750 watts, you will not damage it...

And no, you did not explain it well at all...

~ Kyle ~

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Sorry but I believe the whole underpowering thing is

Along with what Kyle said!

MYTH

 

[AScreenName 10+ year member]

Yes, if the signal you are sending it is clipping, you will damage the speaker, but if you watch your gains, and don't clip the signal, even if you are giving a sub rated at 1500 rms, about 1000 watts, or even, 750 watts, you will not damage it...
And no, you did not explain it well at all...

~ Kyle ~

so, in certain scenarios like that one, underpowering can indeed damage a speaker

thats the point i was trying to get across

 

[buchel 10+ year member]

Sorry but I believe the whole underpowering thing is

MYTH

I believe you are correct, I knew this guy at my old high school, who had a 100 watt pyramid amp, running hiw mtx road thunders, rated at 150+ rms each, 50 watts a piece, and he had those suckers runing for a good two years, without anything going wrong... Shiatty amp, and those subs were still in good shape...

~ Kyle ~

 

[buchel 10+ year member]

so, in certain scenarios like that one, underpowering can indeed damage a speakerthats the point i was trying to get across

In your own muddled way, with the help of myself, and tommy, your point was made, yes...

~ Kyle ~

 

[AScreenName 10+ year member]

In your own muddled way, with the help of myself, and tommy, your point was made, yes...
~ Kyle ~

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[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Lets disturb the **** outta this one!

Myth or Fact: Jensen makes quality products!

 

[buchel 10+ year member]

Lets disturb the **** outta this one!

Myth or Fact: Jensen makes quality products!

Leave it to you...

~ Kyle ~

 

[B&R Innovation2 10+ year member]

Even a clipped signal will rarely Damage a speaker to the point of it being blown.. The only way to blow a speaker is with too much power. A clipped signal can destroy it...but generally it will just sound very bad.

 

[Diplexers 10+ year member]

MYTH: I know more than all of you.

Fact: I love bacon.

Myth: Sitting too close to the T.V. is bad for you.

Fact: I just like looking at nockers up close. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rotflol.gif.b453361716769b8110ddefc85ff03cd2.gif

Myth: This thread is cool.

Fact: This thread is played out. :thumbsdow

 

[Heresy 10+ year member]

Even a clipped signal will rarely Damage a speaker to the point of it being blown.. The only way to blow a speaker is with too much power. A clipped signal can destroy it...but generally it will just sound very bad.

Exactly, they were arguing this on CAF.com one time. It basically amounted to you can clip the hell out of an amp if the driver used could take 3x the RMS power of the amp (they might have only been talking about subs though, can't remember exactly). This is the ever so popular "destortion kills a speaker" myth.

Overdriving an amp produces clipping which is usually detected be the human ear as distortion.

 

[limitkid7 5,000+ posts]

lets keep the discussion caraudio related, seeing how this is in the 'general section'

 

[Omarvelous 10+ year member]

FACT: JL Audio Amps are considered the best BECAUSE no mather what ohm you run them at, the watt output is the SAME. I have yet to find another Amp that has only 1 given out put for different ohms.

FACT: This is the main reason why JL is so freakin EXPENSIVE..... I still love them!

 

[bumpin_blazer 5,000+ posts]

FACT: JL Audio Amps are considered the best BECAUSE no mather what ohm you run them at, the watt output is the SAME. I have yet to find another Amp that has only 1 given out put for different ohms.
FACT: This is the main reason why JL is so freakin EXPENSIVE..... I still love them!

MYTH: you are wise

FACT: you are what the marketing world absolutely loves. you shouldn't have to plan a system around a solid rail of power like the JL's consist of. to me i'd much rather have an amp that does the power i need at whatever ohm load i need and spend 1/2 the $$ as i would on a JL amp. not to mention if you compete you are in a high wattage class due to the rail's system.

adam