mexicans

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

I know exactly what you're talking about.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

how are illegal immigrants costing taxpayers more money? Im writing a paper on it and so far i have healthcare, jails, and schools.

First of all you shouldn't have titled this "Mexicans" sure alot of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, but not all. Alot are visa overstays from other countries, people from other countries that walked across our open borders, etc.

Now for the information, this is just some quick info, you should be able to search and find an insane amount of data for your paper:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

It has great information such as:

Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.

Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f94e4d5c-d32b-11db-829f-000b5df10621.html

Migrant workers sent back more than $62.3bn to their families in Latin America and the Caribbean last year, a rise of 14 per cent on 2005.

Keep in mind that is not all illegal immigrants, but they are contained in that number. Not only are they taking more in tax supported services than they pay in, but they are also draining money out of the U.S. Economy.

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Unlicensed, Uninsured Illegal aliens cost money:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51667

In addition, the states with the most illegal aliens also have the most unlicensed drivers. Those states are also in the lead for the most hit-and-run accidents, according to reports issued by the Fatality Analysis Reporting System and the Pew Hispanic Center.

In addition to being unlicensed, most illegal alien drivers are uninsured – making the accidents they cause even more injurious. Statewide, more than one-third of California drivers are without insurance, according to the California Department of Insurance. In some low-income and minority neighborhoods, the rate is over 50 percent. In San Jose, for instance, 55 percent of all drivers on the road have no auto insurance. In some parts of Los Angeles, Imperial, San Diego and Alameda counties, the rate reaches as high as 90 percent.

The situation isn't much better in other states with high populations of illegals. In Texas, 27 percent of drivers are uninsured. In Florida, the estimates are between 15 and 25 percent. In Colorado, 32 percent.

Even though citizens and legal residents are victimized by the high percentage of uninsured drivers, illegal aliens themselves are often immune to the pain.

Take the case of Victor Manuel Caballero. Even though he entered the country illegally from Mexico five years ago, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that he could collect damages for being hurt in an auto accident from a special state fund set up to benefit those hurt in accidents with uninsured drivers.

Caballero would hitch a ride to his computer job with a co-worker, 19-year-old Ricardo Martinez. One morning, Martinez fell asleep at the wheel, veered off the road and struck a parked tractor trailer. Martinez walked away from the accident, but Caballero was badly hurt.

Surgeons repaired injuries to his abdomen and intestines over a week in the hospital at a cost of $38,300 in medical bills and $1,482 in lost wages. He had no medical insurance. The driver, Martinez was not only unregistered, he had no auto insurance. It turns out he was illegal, too.

The $38,300 in hospital bills was paid by a special hospital charity fund. And because of his successful lawsuit that went all the way to the state Supreme Court, Caballero was eligible for up to $15,000 for "pain and suffering."

while this is true, what about the ones that work using false papers and actually collect a pay check, with taxes taken out. and then come income tax time they don't collect on it, because of said fake papers, no one complains about that ?

I sometimes wonder how likely an illegal alien is to claim a dozen or so dependants on his w-4 form to have less taxes taken from their check. What would stop an illegal alien from putting false info on a tax form at hire when he is proving his identity to get the job with a falsified document...

Also see figures above for tax in vs. tax out for illegal immigrant families.

 

[mapolley07 10+ year member]

programs like WIC and Foodstamps/EBT also benefit mexican illegal immigrants which depletes available money really quickly......

the need for law enforcement to patrol this additional population is rising and with it more money is spent

education......class sizes rise and education quality drops, so property values drop, etc.

there's literally thousands of effects of illegal immigration

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

they usually can hook you up with some good sh!t for cheap...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Illegal aliens depress wages of citizen workers. Not sure the direct effect on the economy but it definately keeps the rich employer richer and the poor employee poorer:

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/01/07/daily17.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Illegal immigrants depressed wages in Arizona to the tune of $1.4 billion in 2006 and dipped lower-skilled legal workers' pay by 4.7 percent.

 

[rollin_cc_s10 10+ year member]

they usually can hook you up with some good sh!t for cheap...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

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[duece212 5,000+ posts]

off topic but whats up with the two screen names? jdawg and jdawg90, both with the same avatar?

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

what about the ones that work using false papers and actually collect a pay check, with taxes taken out. and then come income tax time they don't collect on it, because of said fake papers, no one complains about that ?

Here in Texas no one does that...

My dad has been a sub-contractor for the largest framing company in Texas, George Hull Inc., for the past 20 years. He was around when Mexicans first started taking over jobsites that he was working on(luckily for him, his job isn't one that any ol' Joe can do...).

I've been on job sites ever since I was 10-11 years old(so 12-13 years)...and I have not seen any illegal workers use "flase papers" to get a job. This is mainly because you don't need them to get a job, everyone knows that everyone is illegal, and they don't care. There are no taxes taken out...at all. I friend of my dad's owes the IRS 200k for unpaid taxes from his workers over the past ~10 years.

This may be different than how it is further north, but down here...everyone is illegal. At any given time there are 40-50 people working on one of our sites...my dad and I are the only legal ones out of all of them...

 

[RydHy3845 10+ year member]

while this is true, what about the ones that work using false papers and actually collect a pay check, with taxes taken out. and then come income tax time they don't collect on it, because of said fake papers, no one complains about that ?

If they pay taxes most of them collect on it..doesn't matter if they have fake papers the IRS issues them tax identification numbers (TIN) So they get

tax checks just like eveyone else. I know this because my wife is mexican.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

would 'wetbacks', 'newage slaves', or 'spics' be better?

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

Mexicans have nothing to do with our shitty economy,babyboomer polititians are the blame

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

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