Leftovers from the Second Skin drama...

[Plottin4success 10+ year member]

Ant, I appluad your honesty and willingness to come on here and take this head on. It shows that you have learned from your mistakes and are willing to admit it.

Thank you.

Now can we stop with the useless highschool putdowns people?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

As am I. Now only if he'd politely suggest the same attitude to his lemmings.

nG

I dont think you antagonizing one side or the other is any different than the lemming mentality you are hanging over the heads of people on one side of this debate. You could at least define why you feel one side is lemmings, instead of simply making an inflammatory name calling comment. Im not trying to antagonize you, or anyone here, Im trying to keep people civil. On both sides.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Nope, I'm sure the lemmings will be back yet again. And continue to follow ANT around. They'll carry it with them until they die.

nG

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Part 1 of 2
The reason I try to stay out of these conversations is that without fail, they will turn in to an emotional mud slinging fest. In a previous ca.c (locked or deleted) thread, I opened my self up to criticism, and welcomed questions for some of the members that have issue with me, and my history. All I asked is that the conversation remained respectful on each side. I answered questions, one after another. Many of which were answered several times by myself. Eventually, emotions got involved, name calling, and more disrespect and verbal abuse followed. Posting of my military history, of the sale of my business and other immature antics lead me to realize that some were just not interested in knowing the answers to my questions, but were more set on exposing me in whatever light they would do me the most harm.

Some in this very thread already said they do not care what my side of the story is.

These members already have their mind made up, and while I do understand some of their frustrations, I do not understand the perpetual personal attacks and stalking of me on the forum. This behavior not only hurts me, but also makes them look immature as well.

Not many questions were answered at all.

Name calling, etc could've been ignored

Your military history was relevant to discussions of your character/ethics. Iirc the history was that you were court marshalled for the sale of drugs.

You lied about the sale of your business.

The grain of truth comment I made was over the top, but mostly I was concerned with the way informatin was presented. In many posts people are lead to beleive that I still use the misery ban on fans of SDS, and delete SDS threads and build logs. Neither are true.

I'll refresh my memory soon, but I recall being informed of post deletes recently.

-That I put a misery ban on some of the more vocal and interrupting members of DIYMA (about 2 years ago) More info on the misery ban can be found here: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=121886

By accident I also put an entire user group on misery ban for a few days. So many people were affected. Not just the people that I considered trouble makers. Looking back, I should have just passed out infractions once I realized that working out our differences through communications would not work, but I chose to go the route of the misery ban. Poor choice on my part for several reasons.

Poor choice indeed. Its interesting to know that a few of those that were miserized are now or used to be mods of your forum. Trouble makers? Or are they very informative and influential members?

I can't believe my phone cut out half of what I wrote..
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[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

I dont think you antagonizing one side or the other is any different than the lemming mentality you are hanging over the heads of people on one side of this debate. You could at least define why you feel one side is lemmings, instead of simply making an inflammatory name calling comment. Im not trying to antagonize you, or anyone here, Im trying to keep people civil. On both sides.

I don't see anywhere in this thread where I've been un-civil. I'm not on a side either, unless there's one called "Let it go", I'll join that one. I'm observing and stating my thoughts.

nG

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Not many questions were answered at all.Name calling, etc could've been ignored

Your military history was relevant to discussions of your character/ethics. Iirc the history was that you were court marshalled for the sale of drugs.

You lied about the sale of your business.

I'll refresh my memory soon, but I recall being informed of post deletes recently.

Poor choice indeed. Its interesting to know that a few of those that were miserized are now or used to be mods of your forum. Trouble makers? Or are they very informative and influential members?

- That I used the Read PM hack to extract URL

You really are horrible at this, aren't you?
nG

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

P.S.
SO glad your butt buddy called you in here to help support him. It's kinda cute. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cuddle.gif.bd1b29c179c0482f8313dbd790b74c94.gif

I'm sure you'll say you "stumbled" upon this thread all by your lonesome. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

nG

Actually, I did. I rarely visit here anymore, cept the other day and caught this thread at the top of the page. Saw you posted, figured I'd get my fill of your turdyness, maybe post up a little and be on my merry way. Check my post history, if you don't believe me, princess.

And JB's not my butt buddy, but I do like his butt. He's been doin' some ninja ladder exercises, so I'd avoid pissing him off. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

And I read your retort above. I'm sorry you cannot grasp the scope of the problem. Maybe adjust your medication?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Not many questions were answered at all.Name calling, etc could've been ignored

Your military history was relevant to discussions of your character/ethics. Iirc the history was that you were court marshalled for the sale of drugs.

You lied about the sale of your business.

I'll refresh my memory soon, but I recall being informed of post deletes recently.

Poor choice indeed. Its interesting to know that a few of those that were miserized are now or used to be mods of your forum. Trouble makers? Or are they very informative and influential members?

- That I used the Read PM hack to extract URL

I dont see the allegation of drug sales or a court marshal as being relevant honestly. Im sure we all have something in our history we wouldnt want dragged up, and it certainly doesn't pertain to the situations being discussed here. If you are going to use the ethics argument, then all is fair, digging up dirt on everyone in this thread. I know you mean well James, but please try to keep things on track. Digging up some drug sale from his past (true or not) isn't honestly going to sway many people around here against him anyway. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I don't see anywhere in this thread where I've been un-civil. I'm not on a side either, unless there's one called "Let it go", I'll join that one. I'm observing and stating my thoughts.
nG

My point was that calling a group of people here names isn't going to help them to let the matter drop. If anything, it will instigate anger to help fuel the fire. If you want this to drop, try helping each side see the other's points to create an understanding between the groups. I know you think that is what you are doing, and perhaps that is true, but using derogatory name calling is not the most effective approach imo.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Actually, I did. I rarely visit here anymore, cept the other day and caught this thread at the top of the page. Saw you posted, figured I'd get my fill of your turdyness, maybe post up a little and be on my merry way. Check my post history, if you don't believe me, princess.
And JB's not my butt buddy, but I do like his butt. He's been doin' some ninja ladder exercises, so I'd avoid pissing him off. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

And I read your retort above. I'm sorry you cannot grasp the scope of the problem. Maybe adjust your medication?

Precisely. That's because there is no problem. Your silence proves you have nothing to refute it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif kthnx.

I dont see the allegation of drug sales or a court marshal as being relevant honestly. Im sure we all have something in our history we wouldnt want dragged up, and it certainly doesn't pertain to the situations being discussed here. If you are going to use the ethics argument, then all is fair, digging up dirt on everyone in this thread. I know you mean well James, but please try to keep things on track. Digging up some drug sale from his past (true or not) isn't honestly going to sway many people around here against him anyway.

Precisely. Pretty sure ANT is NOT running for President, or for any public office for that matter. But they'll continue, I guarantee it.

nG

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

If nothing else, Anthony should be given credit for coming here to take his lumps and answer allegations. I told him if he did this, I would do my best to remain neutral. I think acknowledging he is trying to repair what he damaged along the way is doing exactly that. I dont agree with much of what he did that raised these allegations, but we all make mistakes. Give him the opportunity to make up for what he lost. IMO, he deserves that after coming here like he has. Knowing Don's integrity, Im confident he sees the situation similarly. There is room enough for both companies in the market, lets hope this is the start of a peaceful coexistance between them both in what turns out to be a beneficial time for them.

There's more...way more. You've seen some little whitecaps of the sea of depiction, not the whole tsunami of it. There's been some truths posted then deleted. There's also been some vast misunderstandings and outright lies/rumors, too. I'm not going to clarify anymore because I tried already, it's lost (how convenient), and now i chalk it up as pure entertainment.

Like I said, I do like your position in that you're trying to make an honest man out of the guy, but you haven't been personally or financially involved like myself or Don has, so I think your efforts are sort of a waste.

Also, drama is fundamental to these forums, so being peace maker doesn't come with a lot of benefits. Your time is better spent making fun of Ant for being a dipshit, instead. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif I

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

There's more...way more. You've seen some little whitecaps of the sea of depiction, not the whole tsunami of it.
Like I said, I do like your position in that you're trying to make an honest man out of the guy, but you haven't been personally or financially involved like myself or Don has, so I think your efforts are sort of a waste.

Also, drama is fundamental to these forums, so being peace maker doesn't come with a lot of benefits. Your time is better spent making fun of Ant for being a dipshit, instead. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif I

My motive is simply to find truth. Id be glad to hear true statements from either side. If everyone is being honest, nobody has anything to hide. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I have told Anthony via PM that the truth is a force that pushes one towards freedom. If you are honest, you never have to back down from a disagreement.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Im going to bed. Everyone behave while Im gone, or Im writing your names down in my little notebook. And nobody wants that to happen.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

I'll continue while ignoring nG's retardedness

- That I used the Read PM hack to extract URL’s from the private message logs in an attempt to get more data on where our members were going and being referred to. The plan was to find this info out, and potentially advertise on the site that they were most interested in. Again, poor choice on my part. The data mining project stopped shortly after one of the DIYMA seniors called me out on it. It seemed harmless at the time until I listened to the reasoning of the members. To me it was a business move, to them it was an invasion of privacy and an act of mistrust. I got the point and stopped with the campaign. I now use Google Analytics to track as much info as we can, without interfering with the privacy of our members.

You describe it as as hack/software to extract links to show you where people are being linked to. Others, those whose PMs you've read, would describe it as you reading the PMs with your own two eye balls. Who to believe?

-Turning DIYMA in to a Second Skin site. This one is loaded, but I will do my best here to answer to this concern. When I bought the site from NPDang, my intention was to own my very own forum. I really had not clearly defined, or figured out what I was going to do with it, I was just excited to own a popular forum that I could improve. I really enjoy making things better no matter what it is. Products, forums, audio, baking (yes, I bake, in the kitchen and make killer homemade bread). No matter what it is, I always like to mess with things and try to improve upon the existing designs. Like Spectrum, Sludge and our bed liner. I am always changing things, researching, learning trying to improve. Owning a forum kind of seems like a fun venture. I had seen many members complain about slow load times, and lack of updates on the forum. Seemed like an easy fix. I also got tons of suggestions on how to improve the site from many members. I believe all the suggestions for mods and hacks were added, but many complained about these changes. Some offered other suggestions, some just complained. I did my best to accommodate everyone but eventually, the complaining got old, I got emotional and complaints turned in to personal attacks. I over reacted (misery ban) and caught hell for it. Eventually I apologized to the guys in the forum and it seemed to blow over, but not without the consequences of me losing trust from members.

I remember NPdang introduced you as the new member and how you stated that diyma will not become an SS forum, because there's already another forum for that. Unfortunately, that post was deleted. But it's your money, do as you please, but it couldn't gone down much less deceitfully.

-SDS

A lot of emphasis has been made about how I restrict Don from contributing on the forum. How I won’t allow him to advertise, How I delete sds threads and prevent members from posting sds in their sigs. Most of this perception comes from a 3 day period, and was very isolated.

Before I get started on this, let me preface it by saying that I am not not trying to bash, or criticize Don in any way. I am merely laying out the facts as I remember them. If I any part of this is wrong, Don and ONLY don can correct me, as he is the only person that can verify his part & perspective on the situation

When Don decided to come out with his line of sound deadening materials I was both shocked and relieved. On the one hand I had been anxiously awaiting his newest testing results, confident that we would fair pretty well. When he launched his site, I was infact hurt, and emotional about it. Going from a state of hoping, and almost expecting to see Second Skin at the top of his updated list, to a point of seeing him open up shop was truly a 180 degree switch.

On the other hand I new that his site was generating a good deal of traffic for us, and Prior to this, I had worried about what would happen if he had decided to take the site down, or if we did not fair as well as we had hoped. I knew this would effect business to some degree, but I had no idea how much. Google Analytics could only tell me so much. The rest was pure speculation on my part. Fear mostly.

So when he did open up shop, it gave me a better understanding of that fear. I got to see exactly how much traffic was generated from his site, and what kind of traffic loss I would see. IT was some what of a relief to know exactly where I stood on my own accord, not relying on anyone else for my income or profitability. Now that his site was no longer sending me referrals and potential customers, I was 100% on my own. This was scary and exciting all at the same time.

If he continued to do testing, you would've wh0red out his URL. But you thanked him for his prior testings by censoring his site from Diyma.

From the replies to ant's post, it's amazing what people will believe if you sugarcoat it a bit.

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[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Like a broken record.

nG

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Like a broken record.
nG

Just removing the thick coat of sugar from that broken record.

Part 2 has a thick coat as well that needs work.

nG, try removing Ant's RCAs from your head.