king Obama

[ahole-ic]

They thought there was, but when they checked they couldn't find a damn thing besides some severely degraded uranium(I think). And you're still defending the invasion...good god, you're hopeless.

Hindsight is 20/20. So what exactly is your argument? I don't defend that we SHOULD have done it. I am just beating back the claims that it was for no reason.... and also beating back your claims that once we found out there wasn't what we thought there was we should just leave their country in ruin when economically it is not the best for anyone involved. Make no mistake. I am not saying we should continue spending bajillions of dollars doing campaigns. They should have just maintained their bases and provided training to the Iraqis. It would have cost very little in comparison and would have greatly helped Iraq maintain its sovereignty and as a result kept an ally for us.

 

[ahole-ic]

ecrack is an appropriate name.

Like a true to form liberal, when you cannot intellectually remain in the discussion, use ad hominem attacks. Good Show!

 

[audiobaun 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/popcorn.gif.32dd9e22fd77e77bc3c907062768fcd2.gif Interesting

 

[ahole-ic]

Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq | | AlterNet

What are you attempting to say with this?

 

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[zako 10+ year member]

In short, and reading through the gobbledygook, it didn't work.

First look up what the concept of statistical significance means. Having not read the paper, I do not even argue here that the paper is wrong in any way. I do not question their results, although seeing that it's only an unpublished paper, only the test of time and peer review will tell whether their results are even correct. I am just pointing out that the results do not say anything conclusive. And this is given that they use 90% confidence interval. Look at the abstract. Like I pointed out, their findings don't seem to prove anything. Had they used 95% or 99% confidence level, their confidence interval would been even bigger.

I am sorry man, but if you have read through "the gobbledygook" and you're still convinced that it constitutes a proof that the stimulus didn't work, clearly there is no point to argue with you. You post links that clearly do not 'prove' anything, then proceed to use that as a basis to accuse others of liberal bias, lying, etc. If you want to believe what you believe, then keep doing so. I don't want to waste my braincells to continue to argue with the equivalent of stone rock.

 

[ahole-ic]

First look up what the concept of statistical significance means. Having not read the paper, I do not even argue here that the paper is wrong in any way. I do not question their results, although seeing that it's only an unpublished paper, only the test of time and peer review will tell whether their results are even correct. I am just pointing out that the results do not say anything conclusive. Look at the abstract. Like I pointed out, their findings don't seem to prove anything.
I am sorry man, but if you have read through "the gobbledygook" and you're still convinced that it constitutes a proof that the stimulus didn't work, clearly there is no point to argue with you. You post links that clearly do not 'prove' anything, then proceed to use that as a basis to accuse others of liberal bias, lying, etc. If you want to believe what you believe, then keep doing so. I don't want to waste my braincells to continue to argue with the equivalent of stone rock.

I realize you have been defeated and now you want to resort to insults. I'll give you another chance. What are the goals of a "stimulus"? Did the economy turn around and become good shortly thereafter?

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

once we found out there wasn't what we thought there was we should just leave their country in ruin when economically it is not the best for anyone involved.

We knew there was nothing BEFORE we invaded.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

What are you attempting to say with this? 

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And yet no proof of anything. Good job bro.

 

[ahole-ic]

We knew there was nothing BEFORE we invaded.

Evidence?

 

[ahole-ic]

And yet no proof of anything. Good job bro.

What am I supposed to be proving? I proved that before we went to war everyone thought saddam had wmd. you keep saying we knew he didn't, but have yet to provide anything at all.

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

Only Tony Blair and GWB "knew" about the WMDs, the rest of the world, including the citizens of those countries were against the invasion.

 

[ahole-ic]

Only Tony Blair and GWB "knew" about the WMDs, the rest of the world, including the citizens of those countries were against the invasion.

Youtube videos have already been posted of all top ranking democrats at the time of the invasion having the same intelligence. You are merely repeating liberal talking points that are simply false.

 

[DoesDad 10+ year member]

eCrack you're getting ganged up on by a bunch of Obamabots. All they're going to do is start hurling insults. It's the liberal way.... I'd like to ask any one of you guys that has this "blind" faith in Obama some things.

1.) I didn't agree with the Iraq war either, however, once it started don't you think after spending countless amounts of money we should have seen it through? If not just for us to have a powerful foothold in a region where we are overwhelmingly hated and people would like to kill us? It's also right next to Iran. See my point?

2.) How is taxing the rich any more going to get us where we need to be? The top 3% already pay 60% of all the taxes paid. How much more would you like from these guys? And don't you think after a while they might start getting hacked off and go elsewhere and take their money and jobs with them? Also have any of ever worked for a poor guy? I haven't. Matter of fact all my bosses have been pretty well off and thank God. They allowed me a job to live comfortably and feed my children in return for a service I could give them. It's called capitalism.

3.) I don't know if "liberals" understand this or not. There is a finite amount of resources the government has to work with. How do you expect them to keep giving away the house and endlessly putting more and more people on government resources like Medicaid and food stamps? Look at Europe for God's sake. Greece in particular. This is Obama's business model for this country and he absolutely has to be stopped.

 

[Joseph7195 10+ year member]

All triumphs of greatness resides on the shoulders of the strong and powerful. Every time our country has over come times of hardship, it has been on the shoulders of a powerful leader. It will always be this way. Roosevelt, Lincoln, Washington told people what to do. They never asked. If anyone believes sides can be united in some bipartisan crap. they are mistaken. Opposites will only agree when they are told to agree. The weak will follow the strong. It's a matter of human self preservation.

None of our presidential nominee's are strong.

 

[ahole-ic]

All triumphs of greatness resides on the shoulders of the strong and powerful. Every time our country has over come times of hardship, it has been on the shoulders of a powerful leader. It will always be this way. Roosevelt, Lincoln, Washington told people what to do. They never asked. If anyone believes sides can be united in some bipartisan crap. they are mistaken. Opposites will only agree when they are told to agree. The weak will follow the strong. It's a matter of human self preservation.
None of our presidential nominee's are strong.

Well that may be true but neither is obama. We've got to get him outta there.

 

[Joseph7195 10+ year member]

Oh no, I agree. I meant all nominee's. Even the current one (president Obama) is weak. They all squabble about "fine print" politics. Which means they are not strong enough to make congress pass a bill for the better of our country, not one that's the best for a few. There are lots of horror stories which came from directives given from presidents. Unfathomable things. But they were for the preservation of our country and freedom.

 

[macsdad 10+ year member]

I only thing he tried to do was make everyone happy, first he's a christian, thens he's for the islamics. Not trying to start a problem, but I don't like him as our president. The only reason I think he won is because all of our nations African americans voted for him. After he won the election the reporters only interview africans, but no other race of people which I think is racial discrimination.

african-americans represent only 12.5% of population, that includes kids. collage age cuacasions tired of the elitist status-quo, don't do as i do...do as i say form of government. telling other countries about humanatarian issues while we have kids here dieing of starvation. sending jobs overseas for cheap labor, then saying nobody wants to work.......just my .02

 

[disturbed471985 5,000+ posts]

Obama has about a .000001% chance of getting back in which means see ya later. I will be having a party on his last day in office....

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

I don't care whether he's gets back in or not, but I'd say there's more of a chance he does than doesn't.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

The biggest problem with Obama is not his record,not his personality and not his color

its the fact that he says he is gonna do this and that and well........NOTHING GETS DONE

and he blames everyone else.....PLUS he is horrible in the middle east ,spit on Israel and

FOODSTAMPS>>>>>>>>>>>>>OUT OF CONTROL