JL 10w6AE vs 10w6v2

[sporty_drew 10+ year member]

There is a seller on ebay that has some 10w6AE subs and i was wonder if anyone knew how they compared to the newer version 2? I'm not sure how much all of there subs changed between the two. I've looked at the specs and the v2 has better xmax, but i don't know what the other "little" differences will make. I'd be sealing a pair of them and I know they wont be SPL monsters as i'm looking for SQ with a little bang. Since i just want to make a comparison of these and am not sure what i want yet, Please don't suggest other subs if you think they're over priced

Here are the specs for both sets. Thanks alot, Drew

10w6AE

Free Air Resonance (Fs): 23.2 Hz

Electrical “Q” (Qes): 0.463

Mechanical “Q” (Qms): 6.567

Total Speaker “Q” (Qts): 0.432

Equiv. Compliance (Vas): 2.30 ft3 65.1 litres

One-way, Linear Excursion: 0.469 in (Xmax)* 11.9 mm

Efficiency (1W/1m)**: 84.2 dB SPL

Effective Piston Area (Sd): 53.6 in2

DC Resistance (Re)***: 10.8Ω

Nominal Impedance: Dual 6Ω

Power Handling (continuous): 300W

Mounting Depth: 4.875 in

Mounting Hole Diameter: 9.125 in

Driver Displacement: 0.06 ft3

10w6v2

Free Air Resonance (Fs): 28.5 Hz

Electrical “Q” (Qes): 0.497

Mechanical “Q” (Qms): 8.458

Total Speaker “Q” (Qts): 0.469

Equivalent Compliance (Vas): 1.18 cu. ft. / 33.4 liters

One-Way, Linear Excursion (Xmax)*: 0.60 in. / 15.2 mm

Reference Efficiency (no): 0.149%

Efficiency (1W/1m)**: 83.7 dB SPL

Effective Piston Area (Sd): 51.4 sq. in. / 0.0332 sq. m.

DC Resistance (Re): 6.30 ohm***

Nominal Impedance (Znom): Dual 4 ohm

Thermal Power Handling (Pt): 400W

Driver Displacement: 0.068 cu. ft. / 1.9 liters

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[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Subs are not even similar. If you are trying to decide between the two and have the money for the v2, go that route.

The AE subs are dual 6 ohms coils and menat to be run in 3s. They want a small sealed box and not a lot of power. They are efficient though and will do well on that small amount of power. They will not, however be what many people would consider loud. You're not gonna be competing with them. Sound very good on all kinds of music in the JL spec box (.66 cf per sub).

 

[sporty_drew 10+ year member]

I thought that they both liked the small sealed boxes. Also the ohms wont make a difference as long as the end load is between 1.5 and 4. Thanks for letting me know what you thought about the two.

 

[dynamcpunk 10+ year member]

if you can get a good deal on the AE then they will be good for a SQ build. I've had both and liked each of them, but with the amp you have I would go with the AE plus they also if have a shallower mounting depth the the V2

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

The AE subs were very nice sounding but didn't handle power all that well and definitely don't get very loud. Mine sounded very nice in car with a 1 cube sealed enclosure but it didn't like the 450wrms amp I had it on. I could easily bottom it out if I wanted to. It lacked a little low end sealed though; stuff around 35hz and below was pretty weak and not what I like. I liked it in about 1.5 cubes tuned to 30hz though. That brought out more low end and gave it a little smoother response which I prefer. They're pretty decent subs but I would only pay about $100 new for one... if that. If you wanted them cheap, you could always try to find the SPL clone version for about $40 each.

 

[sporty_drew 10+ year member]

if you can get a good deal on the AE then they will be good for a SQ build. I've had both and liked each of them, but with the amp you have I would go with the AE plus they also if have a shallower mounting depth the the V2

I don't mind getting a second amp.

The AE subs were very nice sounding but didn't handle power all that well and definitely don't get very loud. Mine sounded very nice in car with a 1 cube sealed enclosure but it didn't like the 450wrms amp I had it on. I could easily bottom it out if I wanted to. It lacked a little low end sealed though; stuff around 35hz and below was pretty weak and not what I like. I liked it in about 1.5 cubes tuned to 30hz though. That brought out more low end and gave it a little smoother response which I prefer. They're pretty decent subs but I would only pay about $100 new for one... if that. If you wanted them cheap, you could always try to find the SPL clone version for about $40 each.

I only have room to seal 2. With the v2 did it have more low end? I haven't seen anywhere that has those prices. If you were to choose between the two sealed what would you choose again? Thanks alot guys

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

The original 10W6 (the AE is the same sub with different cosmetics) wanted a very small sealed box. They were mechanically limited with their power handling to about 200W. Beyond that you had bottoming issues. Loud and lots of power are not their thing. Now running a couple of them can make up for the lack of loud thing (to a point) and they don't need a lot of power to reach their max output. Loud is very relative and a subjective thing. What some consider loud others don't. You'll be hard pressed to do better than a single 10W6(AE) on a paltry 200w in a small sealed box in the output category but it isn't going to qualify for what a lot on here consider loud. It is after all still only a 10.

 

[sporty_drew 10+ year member]

The original 10W6 (the AE is the same sub with different cosmetics) wanted a very small sealed box. They were mechanically limited with their power handling to about 200W. Beyond that you had bottoming issues. Loud and lots of power are not their thing. Now running a couple of them can make up for the lack of loud thing (to a point) and they don't need a lot of power to reach their max output. Loud is very relative and a subjective thing. What some consider loud others don't. You'll be hard pressed to do better than a single 10W6(AE) on a paltry 200w in a small sealed box in the output category but it isn't going to qualify for what a lot on here consider loud. It is after all still only a 10.

Thats for letting me know what the original its capability of handling. I understand that they are only 10's and loud is relative. I'm happy with the level of "loudness" i have from my one 12" type R. I just want more quality. I think I would be able to get that same "loudness" from 2 10" v2's, right? how about the originals?

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

I don't mind getting a second amp.

I only have room to seal 2. With the v2 did it have more low end? I haven't seen anywhere that has those prices. If you were to choose between the two sealed what would you choose again? Thanks alot guys

I don't think you read my paragraph correctly. I have only owned the 10w6AE, not the v2 so I can't compare them in the same install/car. From what installs I have heard with the v2 (none of which were the 10" version though), they did have more low end and a different sound.

Both subs were very musical and I almost prefer the AE to the v2 but I didn't hear them in the same vehicle to really judge. Output 100% goes to the v2 though.

I don't know what you're paying for the AEs but I would choose two of them over two of the v2s based on price alone.

But really, I would grab two or three (three so you can wire to 1 or 4 ohms) of these instead:

http://www.woofersandwheels.com/itemdesc~CartId~%7BDEVERESTB6314FE-F372-484A-A59F-79A0F9A136ED%7D~ic~950JWS10~eq~~Tp~.htm

The price is right and they're the same as the 10w6 AE. I have played with both and I can't tell the difference between either.

 

[sporty_drew 10+ year member]

I don't think you read my paragraph correctly. I have only owned the 10w6AE, not the v2 so I can't compare them in the same install/car. From what installs I have heard with the v2 (none of which were the 10" version though), they did have more low end and a different sound.
Both subs were very musical and I almost prefer the AE to the v2 but I didn't hear them in the same vehicle to really judge. Output 100% goes to the v2 though.

I don't know what you're paying for the AEs but I would choose two of them over two of the v2s based on price alone.

But really, I would grab two or three (three so you can wire to 1 or 4 ohms) of these instead:

http://www.woofersandwheels.com/itemdesc~CartId~%7BDEVERESTB6314FE-F372-484A-A59F-79A0F9A136ED%7D~ic~950JWS10~eq~~Tp~.htm

The price is right and they're the same as the 10w6 AE. I have played with both and I can't tell the difference between either.

Ok, I know that they both will sound great. I'm worried if i were to get the AE's that i wouldn't be happy with the total output, thats why i thought about the v2's.

I took a look at those subs and i don't have enough airspace for 3 or even 2 of them. I only have ~1.5 ft^3 to work with. Thats why i was leaning towards the 10's instead of 12's.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

I wouldn't look at those recommendations on that site; what was mentioned here about the 10 w6AE will apply directly to the SPL JWS 10s as they're the same thing. You could easily do two of the 10s in 1.5 cubes.

 

[sporty_drew 10+ year member]

I wouldn't look at those recommendations on that site; what was mentioned here about the 10 w6AE will apply directly to the SPL JWS 10s as they're the same thing. You could easily do two of the 10s in 1.5 cubes.

Ok, I'll keep those in mind. I just can't seem to decide on what i want. I just want SQ that gets loud enough. I'm also concerned that 10's wont get "low" enough for my liking. Thanks for the link and your insite.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

It's not the size that matters, it's the design.

If you're not happy with the low end, take one out and port the other. Porting them really helped the low end on mine.

 

[sporty_drew 10+ year member]

It's not the size that matters, it's the design.
If you're not happy with the low end, take one out and port the other. Porting them really helped the low end on mine.

But then i have to balance what i'm trying to get out of them. If i ported one i'd have more low end, but less overall output right?

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

That's correct but output may or may not be a problem. That's something that only you can decide. The same applies with low frequency extension.

When I say that mine lacked low end, this is coming from a guy that likes very overdamped enclosures and an exaggerated response from 25-35hz.