I've searched for hours on the internet, I need help!!

Can you return the kit to wal-mart?

go to ebay and search for knukonceptz

b/a 4 gauge kit for 36 shipped //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

albeit the wire in that kit is CCA and not pure copper, but I would go with that over 6 any day //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
thanks to Sic I believe for the recommendation //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

If I understood your initial post correctly, all your speakers are currently stock? and you have tweeters in that stock system?

 
Ok, so i've never done any of this car audio stuff before, but i have taken electrical engineering classes and I know Ohms law and all that stuff, but some of it confuses me. I want to be sure to get it right.BTW, this isn't just subwoofers, i didn't really see a general section and I figured most people would be viewing this section so i posted here, move me if i'm in the wrong =P

I also have a 6 gauge wiring kit.

First question, My kickers are 400w RMS a piece (2 Ohms) and the amp is 600w RMS at 1 Ohm stable. Should i run that at 1 ohm? How do i accomplish that? if i don't run it at 1 ohm i don't think it will be enough power. I heard people say most amps shouldn't be run at 1 ohm but i've also read this amp handles it fine.

Second question, Should i get an amp for those speakers? If so, what size amp? I also have two tweeters in my car I plan on upgrading at one point when I get more money. How do you set up an amp to your speakers anyways? All this confuses me a little mainly because i've never done it.

Third question, is 6 gauge wire good enough for what I have? I just want to make sure i'm doing everything right because if I mess something up I will be a very very sad person.

Thanks for the help guys!

Dear Sir, I am in an Electrical Engineering Program, so I know FOR SURE that within the second semester, unless you're absolutely bat-shiz retarded, know that you cannot wire two 2-Ohm DVC into a 1-ohm equivalent circuit.

Now, if they are both 2-ohm SVC (Single Voice Coil) then, by all means, throw them into parallel (+ with + and - with -) and call it a day, sir.

But if it's 2-ohm DVC (Dual Voice Coil), then I honestly need to question your school's integrity.

At any rate, I'm just going to assume you AREN'T an electrical engineering major, nor taken any classes and I'm also going to assume that you have a mental defect and continue on:

Your 400W RMS speakers will take an average (not what RMS really means, but for arguments sake, it's what it means.) of 400 Watts a piece. Given that your amp is either 600W RMS or 450W, it will of course run the speakers. But not at their maximum power level. In essense, you'd be exposing these speakers to roughly 3/4 of their maximum power handling. With that said, you're only going to be getting about half the volume (Theoretically, at least).

Now, should you buy a NEW amp? My first reaction is yes. Because what will probably happen is you will be dumb, set your gain really high and overexert your amplifier. What amp?

If you have two 2-ohm DVC subs, then you want a 600W @ 2-ohm amplifier, if they are two 2-ohm SVC subs, you want either a 600W @ 1-ohm (which will be hard to find / expensive) or a 600W @ 4-ohm (which will be hard to find / expensive).

You can get a higher RMS power rating in terms of the subs, as long as you set the gain properly you'll be fine.

Third question: Yes. This is all assuming that you aren't being dumb and you don't have 50 feet of wire coiled up in your car. 6-AWG will be good for up to about 1200 watts. Now, that's pushing it. Everyone here will tell you, "GET 0 AWG IT'LL SOUND BETTER", but that's not true at all. It will be less of a bottle neck, but currently your biggest bottleneck is your amplifier. As long as you have anything bigger than 6-AWG, you should be fine. But, with that said: It is always better to go too big rather than too small when it comes to wiring.

 
Are you sure you in electrical engineering? lol.
The power handling work hand in hand with the box.
True and false.

While you can alter the power handling with different back / forward pressures on the cone, the power rating the manufacturer states is the average power rating for most situations.

As such, a smaller box will increase the power rating, and a larger box will decrease the power rating... but this isn't but leaps and bounds. So throwing a box equation in is silly, and given his questions, he's probably in no place to start messing with non-recommended sizes for boxes. He should build the recommended size and call it a day until he has the time to read more.

 
He didn't say he was an EE major. I'm an ME major and I've taken EE classes. And there's still a shitton I don't know.

Anyway, you will want a 4-channel amp for the speakers. The desired wattage of the amp depends on your speakers, which is why I asked if they are stock. As far as wiring, if you ordered that 4 gauge kit, you will want to get a distribution block- which is effectively a power strip. They come in fused and unfused varieties and knukonceptz sells them also in their ebay store. You can connect the 4 gauge to that and then both amps to it as well. You can do the same thing for ground, or ground each amp separately.

edit: if by kickers you meant kicker speakers, then sorry lol. I assumed they were subs cuz it was originally in the sub classifieds.

 
People stop giving me **** about not knowing a bunch of EE stuff, i'm a Computer Engineering major and I've taken circuits 1 and microelectronic circuits. I've never dealt with dual voice coils, I know about ohms law, mosfets, bjts, and diodes. Also, i've never even touched an amp other than a guitar amp in my life before yesterday. IDSkot, i'm assuming your an over-arrogant thinks he knows it all engineer type, please quit posting on my thread because your being a jerk, I don't want any information you have to give.

Heeltoeclutch, If i have a CD receiver that gives out 21W rms x 4, 4 speakers that are 40w rms and 2 tweeters that are let's say 40W rms also, How would i hook that up to a 4-channel amp and would you say i need like a 150w rms amp?

 
True and false.While you can alter the power handling with different back / forward pressures on the cone, the power rating the manufacturer states is the average power rating for most situations.

As such, a smaller box will increase the power rating, and a larger box will decrease the power rating... but this isn't but leaps and bounds. So throwing a box equation in is silly, and given his questions, he's probably in no place to start messing with non-recommended sizes for boxes. He should build the recommended size and call it a day until he has the time to read more.
I brought up the enclosure size because if he is building or buying a built enclosure it can change a good deal with some subs.

Lets say he wants me to build a box. If he is running less then optimal power and does not see any upgrades in the near future then I will typically go on the larger side of the enclosure sizing. If he has to much power then it goes smaller as you said.

So when I asked it was to gauge what his options may actually be for his application, so I can help him get the most of what he has.

 
You probably know this but the HU's internal amp's output will be negated once you hook up an external amp. And your speakers will be happy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

You connect the HU to the amp with RCA cables; they carry the music to the amp. then you run speaker wire from the amp to each speaker. Your front components (mid and tweet) will have one channel per side, and each rear speaker will have its own channel. Can you explain your speaker situation a little more? are they all stock or are they all kicker or are they mixed?

Typically you will replace front speakers with aftermarket components, i.e. midrange and tweet with a crossover. the two get wired to the crossover, and the speaker wire from the amp goes to the crossover. the amp carries the music to the crossover, then the crossover sends the correct frequencies to either the midrange or the tweet.

Sorry if you know all this already-

 
I'm putting in Pioneer 3-way 40w rms in both the front and rear. and i'm going to put in tweeters too. so the front two on two seperate channels and the back two on one channel and the tweets on their own channel? No i didn't know some of that information thanks for it! I literally just got into researching this stuff four days ago. I've never even thought about it before then

 
Hmm... what your 3-ways do is combine a midrange and tweeter into a single package with the tweeter in the middle, and the crossover is built into the speaker. I'm honestly not sure how you'd go about connecting an additional tweeter to the mix.

In your situation, with the given speakers, you would connect one channel to each 3-way speaker. However, this would leave your stock tweeters without power-unless I suppose you power them with the HU. Have you already ordered/bought the speakers?

 
I would stick with the 4-channel; a 6-channel is likely to be significantly larger and more expensive. I believe this will work- 3-ways with amp and stock tweets with HU. Someone correct me if I'm wrong //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

As far as the amp goes, you will want an amp that puts out somewhere around 40w RMS per channel. Disregard "max" wattage- those numbers mean nearly nothing. You have not bought an amp for the speakers, correct? you have kicker subs and an amp for them?

Are you afraid of buying used/from forums? I was but you can get awesome stuff that way for so much less money //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
i haven't bought an amp for speakers yet so i need like a 150-160w rms amp for that. I have an amp for the subs but i was unaware i couldn't bring dual dvc 2ohm subs to one ohm.. and my amp is only 450w rms for 2 ohm.. i'm going to just sell it and get a 800w rms @ 2ohm.

 
Sorry I edited right as you posted- see above //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I don't know nearly as much about amps as a lot of other people here. Do you have a budget in mind for the speaker amp?

 
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