It's war time...

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Originally posted by Savant Cold Fusion.. Not that I'd expect you to understand that..
wtf man? i understand cold fusion and im 16. stop being so condescending, please.

and are we developing that as a weapon? b/c i thought that we were trying to use it as a power source but its just too expensive b/c the process needs SO much heat...

-nate

 
I said from the beginning that I felt we had no 'legal' right to invade, and Bush was doing this for alternative motives.. LWW (and his mindless minions) insisted it was based on our 'reliable' US intelligence that KNEW where Chem/Bio weaps were..
Wrong. I said that we had legal right from the 1991 cease fire. We also had authorization from UN Res 1441. If you wish to disagree Savant that is your right. If you wish to make statements contrary to my point that is called deception. I did however say that our sources were evidence of WMD’s.

WE KNOW there are people there that DIRECTLY SUPPORTED bin Laden financially.. yet, no confict, just attacks on the next biggest oil reserve in the world (which migh turn out to be the biggest).. Hmm..
Well the only evidence you have presented of Iraq having the world’s largest supply was a site claiming that we went into Afghanland as a move to take over the mideast and had nothing to do with terrorism or Bin Laden. Using 2 false arguments in direct conflict to make your point? Hmm..

Here is a clue for you.. American's have been lied to for DECADES by our government.. I noticed you had NOTHING to offer in response to the doctored photos and fabricated story by Bush
That’s because I have no evidence that they exist. Show them and your evidence of their falsehood and I will comment.

No chem weapons found..
Misleading. Much evidence being tested.

No facilities to make chem weaps found.
Misleading. Facilities found including one camouflaged, sanitized, and guarded. Others where Iraqis report they were told in advance of inspections. Also chem weapons training schools.

No bio weaps found
Misleading. See chem weapons.

No WMD (forgiving NON-MOVABLE OIL RIGS) found, mostlikely on a global community considered NUKES..
Misleading. By UN definiton WMD’s include Scud missiles (fired), Al-Samoud missiles (denied, found, tested, confirmed, and fired), aerosol dispersion artillery shells, aerosol dispersion warheads, and nukes. A definition you agreed with until other things were proven.

Iraqi people want us to LEAVE (sure, liberated, but not happy about us being there)
False. SOME want us to leave. A few morons get the news. Throngs chanting “thank you thank you Mr Bush” get ignored.

So, in the light of $20 Billion given to oil, gas, coal companies
To develop energy sources that would not be economicly viable until resources are further depleted…a good thing for the US.

and now not needing Saudi Ariba (our #1 supplier of oil),
OK let me get this straight. 2 things we both think are good happened but since Bush did it you still think it’s bad? Hmm..

what are the odds that I was totally wrong?
Well let’s see. You have posted:

01-It would have been wrong to go after Hitler peremptively.

02-WMD development doesn’t count until they use it.

03-A link stating that the Afghan war was all about mideast oil and had nothing to do with terrorism or Bin Laden..

04-Saddam was complying.

05-Saddam was trying to help.

06-Just because Saddam lied on keeping 18 prior UN resolutions was no reason to not believe him now.

07-America, it’s govt, and it’s citizens ****.

08-That if something’s range can exceed it’s range without conflict to logic.

09-That if missile B is a long range version of missile B it is no longer the same thing.

10-A desire to know men in the Biblical sense.

Odds of 100% are pretty accurate in my opinion.

oh, and someone cried about the sanctions on Iraq.. guess who is ready to tell the UN that all sanctions are lifted since Saddam is out of power? the US.. Hmm..
Awhile back you said this was to keep prices high…yet they fell. A MOMENT AGO YOUE WERE AGAINST THE GOVT HELPING US DEVELOP OUR OWN ENERGY SOURCES. Now we shouldn’t let anyone else develop their’s. Perhaps we could live in caves. Wait the Taliban did that already.

so the oil can flow now. Hmm.. and we want to fase out the Oil for Food program.. Hmm..
The oil for food program was so Iraq could buy needed essentials. Instead the funds were used for palaces and arms. The oil for food program was a limit. If limits are ended then yes this one would be to. Was their a point in there?

you are correct sir, not about oil at all
You already pointed that out and I agree. After all since Dubya made his big money in baseball with the Texas Rangers this is obviously about Iraqi shortstops.

stop being so condescending, please.
Nswartley he doesn't know how. All Savant knows how to do is doubleshuffle and toss out innuendo and then belittle people. America is a great nation. He is a small person. To compensate he bangs on the greatest nation on Earth knowing that we don't have a police state and the constitution will protect him. He defiles the name of Lady Liberty yet sucks at her teats of prosperity and freedom safe in the knowledge that our great system of govt allows this to a degree unrivaled in this world. Somehow in this he thinks he enlarges himself.

PEACE

 
yeah, but could you imagine if cold fusion was used as a weapon?

Fusion reactions release 100X or more energy tan fission reactions. Plus add in the fact that an uncontained fusion reaction would continue indefinatly, makes a cold fusion weapon much worse than a nuke.

 
I'd rather split the beer atom and get bombed on a cold Sam Adams.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

PEACE

 
Since the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime, there have been several reports of possible chemical weapons finds, none of which are known to have panned out.
Initial tests by Army equipment are designed to favor a positive reading, erring on the side of caution to protect soldiers. Further, more sophisticated tests will be necessary to determine whether the find is evidence of an illegal weapons program.
So far, no conclusive evidence of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons have been reported by coalition forces.
Directly from your link.

 
Well now we have a mobile weapons truck virtually identical to the description we gave to the UN. We have tons of documentary evidence. We have water samples from the Euphrates River showing that Saddamite Hussinsein and his boyz dumped this chemical crap in the water system to avoid war crimes charges. We have a US Federal judge who has ruled that there IS a Saddamite Hussinsein/September 11/Al Qaeda/Osama link. We have the Al-Samouds. We have the Scuds. We have Iraqi scientists spilling the beans. We have Iraqis in the streets chanting "thank you thank you Mr Bush". We have the Allies setting up a free Iraqi government. We do not have a 10 year occupation plan. We have not made moves to make Iraq a colony. We have given back the oil fields. World petroleum prices have fallen. We have President Bush and Prime Minister Blair nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for avoiding a larger war by fighting a smaller one. We do not have thousands of dead American soldiers. We do not have millions of dead Iraqis. I hope that the world has finally seen the wisdom of this action.

PEACE

 
Originally posted by LWW "thank you thank you Mr Bush"
we also have people in the streets chanting "death to america" so i wouldnt say that everyone is happy....not that saying "death to america" is legit b/c we did liberate them, but im just pointing out that not EVERYONE was happy.

-nate

 
Originally posted by nswartley we also have people in the streets chanting "death to america" so i wouldnt say that everyone is happy....not that saying "death to america" is legit b/c we did liberate them, but im just pointing out that not EVERYONE was happy.

 

-nate

Remember there will always be some people that hate you. If this isn't the case something is wrong.

 
I'd like to bring up something that has to do with twisting words, which is directly apart of politics. In a philosophy class that I'm taking we are going over the definition of evil. My teacher states the definition of evil is anything bad or harmful that happens to someone is evil. They get sick that's evil, they die that's evil. The statement goes on to say if god is perfectly good how could he have created this evil. Well first off if you take this definition you could argue that god is perfectly evil. Creating life and existence was evil because he didn't ask us if we wanted to exist, how inconsiderate of him, and everything that exists is bad, because everything including air and water can be harmful to your health. I would agree that in this definition god is perfectly evil, if all that is listed above is considered evil. The main flaws is the twist on the definition of evil. It must be understood that we all have different ideas of what is evil. How can we expect to understand what God was thinking when evil was created? The answer is we can't. We don't have the mental capacity. We will never understand how god thinks (if you believe in god) much like we will never understand what gravity really is. We just use words to describe different things, all we know is that gravity pulls, or pushes things. We don't understand where the core substances of life and existence came from. Politics is based on this kind of play on words. Much of our flaws in thinking has to do with misunderstanding of definitions. Many words have various meaning that when broken down can prove totally different ideas. Much like the play on evil politicians love to play on words, that way things stay vague enough to where they can say, oh you

 
hmm havent checked this thread in awhile...

same as it was before...

i though id just be nosey and answer that question..

"Remember there will always be some people that hate you. If this isn't the case something is wrong."

Hes referring to AMERICA not you personally...

meaning some faction is always going to disagree-hate us(America) for what we did in Iraq

if they all were unanimously in favor or opposed there would probably be some weird conspiracy going on!

 
Originally posted by 1zenlunatic hmm havent checked this thread in awhile...

same as it was before...

 

i though id just be nosey and answer that question..

 

 

"Remember there will always be some people that hate you. If this isn't the case something is wrong."

 

 

Hes referring to AMERICA not you personally...

 

 

meaning some faction is always going to disagree-hate us(America) for what we did in Iraq

if they all were unanimously in favor or opposed there would probably be some weird conspiracy going on!
ok just making sure...and yes, this is true. but he said 'you' ubstead if america so i wasnt sure //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

-nate

 
well i must put my $.02 in to this thread. sadam is a scumbag and i personally would rather take him out of the picture before he does that to us. i also do not cherish the thought of not being able to worship the 1 true God and having to learn how to speak muslim.

 
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