It's war time...

[LWW 10+ year member]

Again, finding delivery systems is not the same as finding chemical weapons.. Yes, I agree that it's damm likely that he has the shells for chem weapons, but that does NOT mean he has any of those weapons assembled, nor does it mean he was in the process, nor does it mean he even has the chemicals to do it.. he USED to, but we don't know for sure if he does NOW..

Verrrrrrrrry Clintonesque. That's the same as when Bubba claimed a blow job wasn't really ***. Or like when Geo Stepahanopolous (?) stated "The President didn't lie. He kept the promises which he intended to keep when he made them. The promises that weren't kept weren't intended to be kept."

That whole philosophy is that there is no "truth" and there is no "wrong" only "interpretations". Pure pablum for the "I don't want to take the time to figure stuff out so would somebody just tell me" crowd.

Let me give you an analogy here. Let's suppose I am convicted of armed robbery. I do my time. I get out. I rob another and do my time and get out again. A bank gets robbed by a guy who looks just like me on videotape using a Beretta 9MM pistol. Witnesses state the robber looks identical to me as well. There are no witnesses who disagree. Cameras from various angles all give the same result. He takes $5,000.00 cash and leaves on foot heading due north. The police heading due north find me. I'm dressed just like the guy on the videotape. I look just like the guy on the videotape. I've got $5,000.00 cash in my pocket. I have no explanation of where I got the money. I don't have the gun. Is he me? Is me he? Is it all just an odd situation?

OK now by your thinking since the police can not PROVE to a 100.0% certainty that I have commited a crime they should let me go. I could just look like the guy. Many sets of clothing identical to mine were made. Many people have $5,000.00. A lot of people walk north every day. A lot of circumstantial evidence but no 100% proof that I am breaking the law because I don't have the gun. Will I go home on foot or will I spend the night in the "steelbar hotel" sharing a suite with Vito and Guido while the police look for the gun? Will I be prosecuted based on available evidence if they never find the gun?

R-E-A-L-I-T-Y. REALITY. Good for you. Good for me. Reality.

Now with Saddamite Hussinsein we have a confession of his possession of the stuff. We have the UNSCOM and UNMOVIC confirmations. We have his prior record of using it at least on 3 occassions. We have the shells for a delivery system. We have the missiles for a delivery system. We have the drones for a delivery system. We have the telephone intercepts. We have his son in law's testimony. We have satellite overheads of atomic facilities being reopened without authorization. We have illegal missiles being mfrd. We have illegal missiles being imported. We have the boatload of scuds being imported to Iraq via a 3rd nation from N Korea that we intercepted. We have the only nation threatening a veto on the 18th UN res (France) being one which has been financially in bed with Iraq for 20+ yrs. We have 17 unfulfilled UN resolutions. We have the fact that Iraq has twice invaded a neighbor nation and fired missiles at Israel. I could go on but why?

Now taken in total do we have enough evidence to go in? Anyone with intelligence and an open mind and not having a financial investment would have to come to the conclusion that we do. Other than pacifists who do not believe in violence at all I know of no person who meets the listed criteria who would disagree with that.

Now once we go in we find an illegally built plant, operated by 2 Generals, surrounded by an electric fence, with armed guards. It is over 10 yrs old and spotless, camouflaged to be invisible from overheads. It has the machinery to make chemical whatever. It isn't making anything and has no employess doing anything except protect it. WHY?

We find artillery shells made for aerosol dispersion of WHAT? We find missiles made for aerosol dispersion of WHAT? We find a school with manuals on how to use chemical weapons that has been used up to the day it was raided. Why?

We find an underground facility of ONE HUNDRED buildings. 14 test off the charts for radiation. We find what to all expert appearances is weapons grade plutonium. Granted final tests are not complete but if it isn't what is it? Why wasn't it claimed? When we said it was there why was it denied?

We find trucks with hidden panels hiding remote controls for heating, cooling, maintaining, and dispensing SOMETHING too dangerous to be handled. WHY is it mobile? What was it? Why was it not declared? When we claimed they had these type vehicles WHY was it denied?

We find thousands of chemical protection suits and doses of atropene on the field of battle. We don't posses these weapons. They claim not to. WHAT are they defending against?

Again I could go on but WHY? How can anyone who claims to be learned, educated, open minded, fair, in pursuit of justice, and wanting to see the right thing for America, Iraq, and the rest of the world done LOOK AT THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF DATA POINTING IN THE DIRECTION OF BLATANT GUILT say the wrong thing has been done? Especially when the only evidence pointing the other direction is Saddamite Hussinsein's repeated denials.

The answer is they can't. Now if this is the greatest set of odd circumstances in the history of the known universe will we have been guilty of a horrible error? Yes. Approximate odds of this being the case? IMHO roughly 1:GOOGLEPLEX.

Now awhile back you asked me if I would still support Dubya if it was found that we had went into this knowing Iraq had no WMD's and I immediately and without hesitation stated that I would support his impeachment, removal from office, and trial as a war criminal. What evidence did you have of this? Well I've been waiting and have seen none so I must assume as usual...nothing but fantasy (like wanting to grab slave Iraqi outfielders or something since Dubya made his money in MLB). Do you beat off and think "Oh man...heh heh heh...if I just make this up...heh heh heh...oh I'll get a nut from that...heh heh heh" or what is it with you?

Reasons 2 through 4 I will accept as motives, 1 is just a side effect of completing 2-4. I would've accpted liberation had it not been an after thought when the original reasons for going in lost supprt.

Perhaps that is because it was assumed to be understood that this would happen due to 2-4. Perhaps not. I don't think anybody has stated it was for that reason solely however. In any event you could pull any of the 4 and state they were a result of the other 3.

Do you see where I'm coming from? Probably not.

Actually I think he does Joshpoints and that's what is so frustrating. If he were just a garden variety idiot he would be easy to dismiss. Instead he is a blowhard who thinks he cantake facts that he doesn't like because they don't fit the agenda and argue them into non existence...or at least convince someone he did. Sad.

PEACE

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Savant So, India isn't happy about it.. don't they have nukes too?

Another good point. By removing Saddam, all Saddam-friendly countries will be against the US and Brittain, Many of these countries definatly have WOMD (INdia, China, N. Korea, etc.). Oops didn't see that coming.

Another thing, the Hitler and Saddam equations, I never heard anything about Hitler having WOMD (the V1 and V2missles aren't WOMD asthey only destroy a few hundred square meters and are not capable of leveling a city.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Oh I forgot to add I was taking to a union electrician earlier today and his union supports the war effort.

The question which immediately came to me was WHY DO SO MANY AMERICAN ELECTRICIANS SUPPORT THE WAR? Then it came to me...we only want their fuseboxs...yeah it's all about the dog gone fuses and wires!"//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh:

PEACE

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Another good point. By removing Saddam, all Saddam-friendly countries will be against the US and Brittain, Many of these countries definatly have WOMD (INdia, China, N. Korea, etc.). Oops didn't see that coming.
Another thing, the Hitler and Saddam equations, I never heard anything about Hitler having WOMD (the V1 and V2missles aren't WOMD asthey only destroy a few hundred square meters and are not capable of leveling a city.

India, Pakistan, and China have never USED these weapons. SADDAM has. N Korea is an issue to be dealt with. ANybody should have seen that coming.

As to Nazi WMD's read your history. V3 Amerika was a long range jet bomber to hit DC that was in the works. The Horten Ho9 was actually an attempt at the original stealth bomber...very similar to the B2. The ME-262 the first operational jet fighter and bomber. They also had crude versions of nightvision. They also were at work on the A-bomb. By the way London was pretty much leveled. As was Moscow. As was Stalingrad and Leningrad. Did he have today's firepower? No thankfully. Is your point that we should have waited until he did? There were people who didn't WANT that to be the case but if they had prevailed WOULD have been the case. Mine was that we stopped him in time...barely!

PEACE

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Another good point. By removing Saddam, all Saddam-friendly countries will be against the US and Brittain, Many of these countries definatly have WOMD (INdia, China, N. Korea, etc.). Oops didn't see that coming.

 

Another thing, the Hitler and Saddam equations, I never heard anything about Hitler having WOMD (the V1 and V2missles aren't WOMD asthey only destroy a few hundred square meters and are not capable of leveling a city.

Response:

You are correct, but incorrect. Hitler was months away from being able to drop a nuclear weapons over the U.S. avoiding all american radar, because their planes could fly out of radar distance. All he had to do was put the bombs together. We would have been goners if we didn't go in when we did.

India surprises, I can not confirm or deny this. What do you expect from China and North Korea? It's like a person on deathrow saying he is against the execution of another member on deathrow. China and North Korea are both against the U.S. and have been prior to this event. Remeber China's figher jets that knocked one of our planes out of the sky and they didn't want to return it to us. So our enemies have remained the same. We already know about the crime behind France and Russia and why they are against it.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW OOOOPS!!! Possible mobile bio weapons van found. Driver flees when asked to stop. Lab is designed to be refrigerated and remotely operated to avoid contamination.

This was on foxnews.com today..

"It was suspected that the truck may have been a mobile biological weapons lab. However, on Friday the Army said that specific vehicle was deemed not to be such a lab, but that the seven to 15 others discovered on the site are still being investigated."

Can you at least admit you have been touting 'speculation' as 'proof'?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83840,00.html

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW India, Pakistan, and China have never USED these weapons. SADDAM has. N Korea is an issue to be dealt with. ANybody should have seen that coming.

Guess who HAS though, the U.S.... so.. um.. should the world remove them from us? Oh, wait, we have too many nukes for anyone to tell us anything.. power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely..

By the way, what are we classifying as WMD? I thought that was pretty much Nukes.. since chemical and biological weapons are stated as sepperate entities..

As to Nazi WMD's read your history. V3 Amerika was a long range jet bomber to hit DC that was in the works. The Horten Ho9 was actually an attempt at the original stealth bomber...very similar to the B2. The ME-262 the first operational jet fighter and bomber. They also had crude versions of nightvision. They also were at work on the A-bomb. By the way London was pretty much leveled. As was Moscow. As was Stalingrad and Leningrad. Did he have today's firepower? No thankfully. Is your point that we should have waited until he did? There were people who didn't WANT that to be the case but if they had prevailed WOULD have been the case. Mine was that we stopped him in time...barely!

PEACE

Listen to yourself.. look at what you JUST typed.. CAA said he didn't have WMD.. You SUPPORTED that statement, yet touted it like he did? ' in the works', 'were at work on'.. This is my problem with your presentations, and thus your credibility.. Just like your insistence on the word 'suspected' meaning 'proof' and 'fact'.. Look at the post where YOUR news source said that your bio weap van was, in fact, NOT a bio weap van..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Oh I forgot to add I was taking to a union electrician earlier today and his union supports the war effort.

 

The question which immediately came to me was WHY DO SO MANY AMERICAN ELECTRICIANS SUPPORT THE WAR? Then it came to me...we only want their fuseboxs...yeah it's all about the dog gone fuses and wires!"//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh:

 

PEACE

would you PLEASE grow up.. The MAJORITY of this country supports this war.. so? and if the leader of that union want's to support the war that's fine, and if some of the members do too, great.. then they can say their 'union supports the war'.. that's not quite the same as of the biggest and richest companies 'directly supporting' the war.. we're not talking about thinking it's a good idea like your little electrician buddy.. we're talking about offer funding and putting their fingers in policy, etc etc.. To keep bringing up these irrelivant side issues is just getting annoying.. You are starting to seriously slide back into the joke of debating style you were displaying a few days ago, but looked like you were ready to walk away from for serious conversation...

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Again I could go on but WHY? How can anyone who claims to be learned, educated, open minded, fair, in pursuit of justice, and wanting to see the right thing for America, Iraq, and the rest of the world done LOOK AT THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF DATA POINTING IN THE DIRECTION OF BLATANT GUILT say the wrong thing has been done? Especially when the only evidence pointing the other direction is Saddamite Hussinsein's repeated denials.

Again, you are totally missing the point.. It seems in your tiny little locked up mind you think I believe we should have just walked away.. I have NEVER said that, nor do I think that would have been smart.. Yet, you can't seem to get that into your vaccuous skull..

My contention is that since our government is in the habit of lying to us, and there are a lot of GOOD reasons to NOT piss off the rest of the world, I feel that we should have gone about this differently than Bush did.. Why is that such a problem for you? You seem to believe that my thinking we should have made one last UN push with threat of force to mean something else (to the point, you seem to think I think we should have walked away)..

And you say I'm dumb? YES.. SADDAM IS A BAD MAN AND WASN'T PLAYING NICE WITH THE UN.. ok.. then, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT A GUN IN HIS FACE AND MADE HIM LET US INSPECT.. we MIGHT have been able to get in and find all this stuff WITHOUT KILLING 1400+ PEOPLE.. maybe not.. the POINT is, we will never know now, will we?

Whatever.. if you can't understand this SIMPLE and direct and VERY CLEAR statement, then there really is no point in talking to you.. I fully understand and accept that you feel there was no point to try, I disagree... everything else on this thread is largely noise.. and mostly here because you can't read or refuse to.. or just like to fight for the sake of fighting, but admitting that would also put you closer to being a warmongerish kind of guy.. which would only go to support my accusations that the mongers love the fact that we jumped in like we did.. but whatever..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by joshpoints India surprises, I can not confirm or deny this. What do you expect from China and North Korea? It's like a person on deathrow saying he is against the execution of another member on deathrow. China and North Korea are both against the U.S. and have been prior to this event. Remeber China's figher jets that knocked one of our planes out of the sky and they didn't want to return it to us. So our enemies have remained the same. We already know about the crime behind France and Russia and why they are against it.

Actually, politics generally supecede everything else.. just because Saddam is a bad man doesn't mean people (countries) won't do business with them.. hell, politicians in the US deal with bad people, and bad countries all the time.. they just try to keep it quiet.. India getting oil from Iraq is no supprise to me.. hell, the US shook Saddam's hand when he took office, we helped him during his war with Iran (and helped Iran too, as I recall someone saying).. The US is not less guilty of dirty hands than any other government when it comes to willingness to deal with other governments and politics..

Part of France and Russia is they have oil deals with Iraq too, IIRC.. so it's not just the crime.. don't forget, we gave Iraq weapons in the 80s.. Sure, France and Russia might have been doing it during sanctions (making it illegal), but it's all about profit and greed.. Again, the US is guilty of that too..just not in this instance..

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Savant Actually, politics generally supecede everything else.. just because Saddam is a bad man doesn't mean people (countries) won't do business with them.. hell, politicians in the US deal with bad people, and bad countries all the time.. they just try to keep it quiet.. India getting oil from Iraq is no supprise to me.. hell, the US shook Saddam's hand when he took office, we helped him during his war with Iran (and helped Iran too, as I recall someone saying).. The US is not less guilty of dirty hands than any other government when it comes to willingness to deal with other governments and politics..

 

Part of France and Russia is they have oil deals with Iraq too, IIRC.. so it's not just the crime.. don't forget, we gave Iraq weapons in the 80s.. Sure, France and Russia might have been doing it during sanctions (making it illegal), but it's all about profit and greed.. Again, the US is guilty of that too..just not in this instance..

The difference between a good country and a bad country.

The U.S is a good country because it tries to correct its mistakes while other countries listed deny them or ignore them rather than dealing with them. Corrupt politicians exist, but I'm not the one that voted for Clinton.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

I got something new from the peacenics.

"you may say I'm a dreamer, but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Yeah... And we shouldn't put people in jail because it could be torturous mentally, it could drive people insane, it could shorten their life, it could harm their health. How inconsiderate of us to punish people. Maybe we should just tell criminals what they did was bad and release them back on the street. You may meet a nice ****** that you like.

Now this peacenic statement in quotes could be supported by the philosophical theory Determinism. The belief that people have no power of what they do because a series of causal events made them do it. So this being the case, we must open our eyes and see that there is no good and evil. Sadam isn't a bad person neither was hitler.

But if you ask me this whole theory is looney.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Another thing, the Hitler and Saddam equations, I never heard anything about Hitler having WOMD.

Another thought on this staement. Hitler didn't have WMD's. This is why they are dissimilar? Does this mean you concede Saddam does? If so then if it was worth it to take out the Nazis how can it not be worth getting Saddam? Or are you saying we should have let Hitler go?

To answer the question, no.. I would not have those shells .. unless they had some other use.. just like a carving knife in your kitchen is for making dinner, that same knife in someone's chest is a weapon.. does that make any sense?

Please supply me with another use for an aerosol dispersion artillery shell? Ans something to kill industrial insects doesn't count.

don't forget, we gave Iraq weapons in the 80s..

I've heard you say this but don't know where you are getting it. I know we had some business dealings before the monster showed himself but all of Saddam's weapons I have seen were either French, Russian, Chinese, or N Korean. I'm not 1oo% convinced you are wrong but you are the only source I recall for this.

Again, you are totally missing the point.. It seems in your tiny little locked up mind you think I believe we should have just walked away.. I have NEVER said that, nor do I think that would have been smart..

I've got a problem with this also. You are against intervention. You concede (at times) inspections didn't work. You don't want to wait for these weapons to be used. You concede (at times) that even you believe we will find them. I see no other choice than inspections (failed), waiting to be attacked (insane), and taking him down (worked). If you see another option you haven't mentioned it so I assume you don't. So whatare you trying to prove other than you dance from point to point in contradictory circles attempting to prove something which appears more and more wrong each day?

And you say I'm dumb? YES.. SADDAM IS A BAD MAN AND WASN'T PLAYING NICE WITH THE UN.. ok.. then, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT A GUN IN HIS FACE AND MADE HIM LET US INSPECT.. we MIGHT have been able to get in and find all this stuff WITHOUT KILLING 1400+ PEOPLE.. maybe not.. the POINT is, we will never know now, will we?

Wrong again. Yes we do know. In 1998 Billy Jeff loaded Kuwait up with troops to make Saddamite Hussinsein comply. Saddam basicly told Bubba to go commit fornication with the horse upon which he was riding. Then he threw the inspectors out of the country and very little is known directly of what happened since. So yes we DID try the gun to his head. He dared Billy Jeff and Billy Jeff flinched. Our troops were sent home. The problem was passed off to the next administration...very similar to the Bin Laden deal. ONCE AGAIN THE ONLY THING SADDAM UNDERSTANDS IS FORCE! A gun pointed at someone's head is useless if they are convinced you won't pull the trigger. You guys keep looking at it as if Saddam were a sane reasonable individual. If he was he would never have attacked Iran or Kuwait. He isn't. To his way of thinking he had stared down 2 US presidents and neither of them had the steel in them to take him down. He thought the same thing about this one. He thought wrong.

would you PLEASE grow up.. The MAJORITY of this country supports this war.. so?

Verrrrrrry interesting. You so proudly have claimed on multiple occassions that the whole war was over oil due to the Bushes being in the oil business. Now when the stupidity of that argument is demonstrated by applying it to any other group and industry you take humbrage. You don't mind tossing out your trash but you don't like it being thrown back I see.

By the way, what are we classifying as WMD? I thought that was pretty much Nukes..

I see why you like to define the rules. When this first started it was a Scud that was acceptable. Now it has to be nuclear. Would you 2 listen to yourselves here:

I never heard anything about Hitler having WOMD (the V1 and V2missles aren't WOMD asthey only destroy a few hundred square meters and are not capable of leveling a city.

Ummmm...what if you live in those few hundred square meters? Does your opinion change? Does it still have to level a city? If so how big? 100 people? 1,000? 1,000,000?

Listen to yourself.. look at what you JUST typed.. CAA said he didn't have WMD.. You SUPPORTED that statement, yet touted it like he did? ' in the works', 'were at work on'.. This is my problem with your presentations, and thus your credibility.. Just like your insistence on the word 'suspected' meaning 'proof' and 'fact'..

WOW! I had JOKED earlier that you would have supported leaving Hitler alone to not be wrong. I never actually believed you would. Well you got me here Savant. I WAS WRONG ABOUT YOU!

Can you at least admit you have been touting 'speculation' as 'proof'?

Can you at least admit that you do not have sufficient command of the english language to understand the meaning of the word "possible" in my post. In addition the story you link to contradicts itself if you read it by stating that on Friday they were on the way to inspect it and at the same time had already inspected it and had multiple others. They also had no explanation of what else it was either.

PEACE

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Here are some more things to think about..
" In 1973, Iraq nationalised all oil companies. By displacing Saddam Hussein and installing a friendly regime, U.S. and British companies would be able to re-enter the country and get a major share of its oil industry."

" Sources said control over Iraq and its oil wealth would allow American firms to manipulate global market prices by deciding on production levels and to keep out countries like India, which is engaged in developing oil fields in that country."

" This ensures that crude oil prices are kept high, as a steep drop is not in the interest of U.S. companies, which have been engaged in deep water exploration, a source said.

"If prices fall, it could jeopardise their deep water exploration, as it would not be viable due to the high costs involved. "

here is the link..

http://in.news.yahoo.com/020923/43/1viab.html

OH MY GAWD!!! Thanks for the link. This is a leftist piece of propaganda if I have ever seen one. Not only do they spit on the grave of 3,000 dead Americans due to Bin Laden they defend Bin Laden and Saddam as innocent victims then go to great lengths to baffle the foolish (who posted this link first?) by using multi syllable words and couch everything by attributing their data to mysterious shadowy people who cannot have their identities revealed. They obviously fear CIA retribution if they are found out and count on Al Qaeda and the Republican Guard to defend them I guess. In addition to your snippets it also said this:

Iraqi Ambassador to India Salah Al-Mukhtar said the U.S. wanted to attack Iraq to control its oil reserves. This was also the reason behind Washington launching a war on terrorism in Afghanistan

So according to your “source” 9/11 never happened?

"We have more to lose from a change in government, as the Saddam Hussein regime is favourably inclined towards India. This relationship has allowed India to get into the Iraqi oil upstream,"

So their gripe is they are buying black market oil from Saddam and it will end?

India, which looks at Iraq as an assured source of oil, is opposed to military action against Baghdad

At least they admit WHY!

Before the 1991 Gulf War, India was Iraq's largest bilateral trading partner and a large number of Indian companies had presence there.

And the old stand bys of:

a top executive of an oil company told IANS on condition of anonymity...sources said...analysts said...a source said....The source noted

meaning :

we are purely spewing pap all over the place with no verifiable evidence whatsoever but we don’t want you to know that

Dude if that’s all you have to support yourself you need to go try and convince Boo Boo Bear.

My contention is that since our government is in the habit of lying to us,

Ummm...the Clintonistas lost power almost 27 months ago. I know you are still in denial but it’s true. The Florida Supreme Court argued against it. The US Constitution trumped it. I feel your pain!

Guess who HAS though, the U.S.... so.. um.. should the world remove them from us?

And the wacko side shows again. The US used 1 atomic bomb on Japan because:

1-The Japanese sneak attacked Pearl Harbor.

2-Refused all attempts at peace.

3-It actually SAVED an estimated 100K US soldiers and over 1,000,000 Japanese lives that would have been lost in an invasion.

The US used the 2nd atomic bomb on Japan because:

1-Japan refused surrender still.

2-They broiadcast to their people that the 1st bomb wasn’t an American weapon but that it was God punishing the Japanese people for not fighting intensely enough.

Following the 2 bombs and final peace the US:

1-Rebuilt Japan.

2-Gave it free military protection for at least 58 years.

3-Instituted Democracy.

4-Gave them most favored nation trading status.

5-Bought it’s wares in massive amounts.

6-Gave medical care, free and long term, to all affected Japanese.

So take your puke back with you and stop your stupid attempt to bring moral equivalence between whatever some dungpile dictator and the USA does.

Your hatred of your counyty should be apparent to all by now.

Savant you are truly beneath shame.

PEACE

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Another thought on this staement. Hitler didn't have WMD's. This is why they are dissimilar? Does this mean you concede Saddam does? If so then if it was worth it to take out the Nazis how can it not be worth getting Saddam? Or are you saying we should have let Hitler go?

Answers in order:

1. Yes, they are VERY dissimilar, unrelated topics, the only correlation between the two is that they are responsible for millions of deaths (but hey, so is just about every major power on the planet including Canada and the US)

2. I mean that there is now proof that Saddam had these weapons, befor there was only suspicion.

3. Actually both needed to be gotten rid of, the problem here is that there was another option (there was early in the Hitler time too, but people gnored it and waited till it was too late, remember Hitler wrote a book, while he was in prison BEFORE he took power, that described everything he would do (and did) if hge ever attained power - "mein kampf"(sp))

4. Actually I'm saying that your claim of Hitler having WOMD is wrong. Sure London was just about leveled after DOZENS (possibly 100's not 100% sure, but I know it was from more than 1 or 2) of hits from missles, but not one of 'em was a WOMD, I could level NY with an AK-47 and trillions upon trillions of rounds, does that make the AK-47 a WOMD?

IMO a weapon can only be considered a WOMD when a single detonation could level an area greater than 10 square kilometers, or kill more than 1,000 people (given ordinary circumstances, a grenade "could" kill that many under very extraordinary circumstances), the V1, V2, Silkworm, and Sadsack cannot be classified in this manner. But you claimed that a burning oil well is a WOMD, so I don't expect this to make sense.

Todays nukes are capable of leveling 10,000 square kilometers or more, and Bio/Chem weapons can kill millions hence they ARE WOMD.