It's war time...

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Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Found a few things

 

This was found on Bushes desk:

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The way of things.....

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The link between Al-qaeda and Iraq

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Bushes revengefor 9/11:

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so do you agree with this ??

man yall leave post they are way to freakin long!!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

hell my 5th grd reading level is not enough for all these long post:confused:

 
I'm against ANY unjust, unwarranted war. This one falls into that catagory.

A "just" war has a few undeniable facts about it.

1. There is ONE undisputable, and reasonable Purpose (well there's already too much evidence that contradicts this)

2. The gains from the war outweigh the losses (well killing thousands of people just to remove one man from power definately doesn't suite this case, especially when reasonable and viable non-war actions have been and are still being brought up)

3. There is enough evidence to support an attack (as yet there is very little and most of it is circumstantial)

4. when it comes to world-effecting wars, more than 50% of the population supports the war (in this case there is less than 30%)

 
Oh yeah they want the US there....

As they wave their white flags of surrender to lure the troops in. Then the Iraqi soldiers waiting over the hill attack while the US' backs are turned. Yep they want you there, more targets.

I don't condemn the Iraqis for their actions, after all they are only defending their homeland.

 
Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Oh yeah they want the US there....

 

As they wave their white flags of surrender to lure the troops in. Then the Iraqi soldiers waiting over the hill attack while the US' backs are turned. Yep they want you there, more targets.

 

I don't condemn the Iraqis for their actions, after all they are only defending their homeland.
I didn't say the Iraqi soldiers, I meant the citizens....and I didn't say all of them...but a lot of them are greeting the Coalition forces with glee...
 
just news about Saddams supposed WOMD cache

Reports of Iraq chemical cache 'premature': Pentagon

Last Updated Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:22:09

WASHINGTON - Stories by some media outlets that U.S. forces have uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory in Iraq may be wrong, the Pentagon cautioned late Sunday.

source: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/23/chemicals_030323

And snova: searching the cbc.ca, foxnews.com, abc.com, and cnn.com websites has shown NOTHING about US troops being welcomed in Iraq. I suspect that there are probably a few not the majority. Plus if they really wanted to leave, they would have.

 
As promised,

if you would like to see the publication that is the current policy for US International policy and Military policy

go to this webaddress:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm

then select "Rebuilding American Defenses"

the PDF is 80 pages long.

It outlines implimenting a strictly unilateral strategy of spreading US influence and control

creating a global empire under the guise of the "Pax Americana"= peace america

YES---this essentially means creating a global American Empire

as this phrasing draws reference to the "Pax Romana" of the Roman Empire

which meant peace as administered soley by the rule and power of Rome

so substituite the United States for Rome

No opinion here, just the facts.

read this document, see if u can pick out any subtle things in it, there are plenty..

 
Originally posted by CarAudioAddict And snova: searching the cbc.ca, foxnews.com, abc.com, and cnn.com websites has shown NOTHING about US troops being welcomed in Iraq. I suspect that there are probably a few not the majority. Plus if they really wanted to leave, they would have.
In interviews with several Iraqi people that fleed to the US in the last few years, each one of them said their family in Iraq is anticipating the arrival of US troops in their cities. Also, another Iraqi man on the radio said that this war was necessary, and Saddam needs to be taken from power.
Do you know what would happen to you if you lived in Iraq and opposed the government? You would be killed in a heartbeat. Would that happen here? No, it wouldn't. Saddam uses harsh tactics against his own people, he has killed more Iraqi's then we ever will in this war.

There's a time for peace and negotiation, and theres a time for war. This is the time for war. The thought of a psycho such as Saddam with possible access to nuclear missiles makes me cringe, I'm glad we are taking these efforts to get him out.

 
Look.. Yes, Saddam is a psycho bag o crap.. and there is NO doubt that the general populous is happy to have him gone, but they were JUST as pleased to see us 12 years ago.. did we 'liberate' them? no.. why? we were only there serving the interests of Kuait.. nothing more.. we are NOT there for any other reason than Bush - II being on a rampage (I've heard several statements about a supposed assasination attempt on Bush - I linked to Saddam, but have not been able to find info on it).. To change your 'reason' to so many 'disjoint' pieces is clear (to me, anyway) that he's grabbing at straws to justify HIS war.. the best and only unopposed reason happened to be the last.. Free the Iraqi People.. Again, we have NEVER BEFORE STARTED A CONFCLICT TO HELP ANYONE (save the Civil war).. we merely join in to help those that ask and promise great repayment.. this will be the first 'unfunded by outside sources' war/conflict we ever faught, to the toon of over $100 billion dollars.. The last fight in Iraq? cost us a whopping total of.... *drumroll*.. something like $50 million after we got paid.. if that much, I don't recall what they said on CNN last week..

The FACT that as of '12:30 am, March 24th MST' there is no 'confirmation' of that plant producing chem weapons I think mandates an appology from LWW about being an overly premature jackass who could care less about fact and would shove circumstantial evidence down the throat of Jurice Prudence for his own gain..

Though, perhaps I'm wrong.. perhaps we have 'proof' and are just withholing proof of the BASIS for why we are there.. cause .. we.. don't want to make Saddam look bad.. yeah, that's it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 
YES---this essentially means creating a global American Empire
Ah more revisionism. First America has spurned the opportunity to conquer and I consider this a dead issue and anyone who still argues it only shows there lack of historical knowledge or disdain for truth...or both.

Consider that from 492 thru 1945 western Europe was CONSTANTLY at war. From 1945 till now AFTER being taught American principles western Europe has been at peace.

Eastern Europ0e was constantly at war also until the Soviet boot came down. Upon it's removal they began shooting at each other AGAIN.

The Middle East has also suffered this fate...CONSTANT warfare for over a millenia. An enforced peace and introduction of democracy, capitalism, human rights, private property, and other American ideals will in all likely work AGAIN.

Look at Afghanistan for instance. A Communist puppet state was installed by the USSR. The Reagan administration armed the mujahideen to overthrow their Soviet masters. Bin Laden was a player yes...and he was sent back to Saudi Arabia. The Saudis sentenced him to death and he fled to the Sudan. The Sudanese offered him up to the Clinton administration 3 times and they refused him so he was exiled to Afghanistan. The Pakistani government, led by Muslim extremists at the time, created and installed the Taliban in Afghanistan and Bin Laden became defacto leader. We all know the rest.

Look at the USSR. They were held in check under Eisenhower. They saw Kennedy as weak and challenged the USA in Cuba as a result. They perceived Johnson as weak, and rightfully so, and led their puppets on a wave of expansionism which stopped under Nixon and resumed under Carter. The leadership of President Reagan brought the Soviet bear to it's knees by exposing it for what it was thru foreign policy, matching and exceeding it's military buildup, and pressuring their economy. The Cold War ended WITHOUT WWIII being fought.

Look at Iran. Jimmy Carter was a good man but a dove and a weak President. Our embassy was taken and held until he left office.

Look at Iraq. Bush I was PERCEIVED WEAK ALSO which emboldened Saddam to invade Kuwait. Upon being forced out he was kept on a short leash and was on the verge of toppling. Clinton came to power here and stopped support for the Kurds. Inspectors were tossed out with impunity.

Clinton did little to restrain Saddam or Bin Laden and seemed to actually like having them around so that as each scandal arose he could fire off a couple cruise missiles and knock the scandal off the front page. Such as the day Monica testified in court. Such as the day the impeachment vote was scheduled. Yadda yadda yadda.

In essence in the post WWII world what has led to armed conflict has been weakness or even PERCEIVED weakness on the part of the USA. Leadership on our part has always led to good things happening throughout the world.

Before you bash American foreign policy take the time to learn history and see what really happened and why.

PEACE

 
I've heard several statements about a supposed assasination attempt on Bush - I linked to Saddam, but have not been able to find info on it)..
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~irdp/ref/ref03.html#post

WOW! I found it on my first search. Also data on the first WTC bombers carrying Iraqi passports. Remember they are linked to the WTC II bombers which were Bin Laden's boys also. Don't forget that Timothy McVeigh had numerous Baghdad phone numbers on his person when arrested also. Oh...and we have been bombing the Al Qaeda associates in Iraq this weekend. Don't forget that Saddam has gave refuge to Al Qaeda members as well. And the killer...remember Commander and Thief Clinton. Remember Bosnia. Remember the Kosovo Liberation front or KLA. Remember Clinton going to war to support them. Gues what their main source of funding was? Afghan opium. Guess who controlled that? Bin Laden. Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMM???????

PEACE

 
The FACT that as of '12:30 am, March 24th MST' there is no 'confirmation' of that plant producing chem weapons I think mandates an appology from LWW about being an overly premature jackass who could care less about fact and would shove circumstantial evidence down the throat of Jurice Prudence for his own gain..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81935,00.html

Ah the old you gotta have a link but I can spout what I want argument again. But that's OK because I can back up what I say.

The Jerusalem Post reported this SUNDAY MORNING. The "supposed" statement seems to come from the fact that we haven't tested exactly "what" it is not "that" it is and as to whether it was actually made or just loaded in shells.

In any event it takes quite a leap of faith to believe that a starving country goes to the expense of a NEW 100 ACRE FACILITY 90 MILES FROM TOWN SURROUNDED BY AN ELECTRIC FENCE AND ARMED WITH SPECIAL FORCES TROOPS AND HEADED BY 2 GENERALS WHILE CAMOUFLAGED TO MATCH THE DESERT FLOOR for a baby milk plant.

Also notice that the generals are being questioned about chemical weapons and are providing useful info...hard to do it if you ain't got it.

Let's see now...the scuds were scuds not bottle rockets as savant said.

The oil wells burning were oil wells burning not sparklers as savant said.

Our main oil supplier is Canada not Saudi Arabis like savant said.

Clinton was a felon before being president unlike savant's belief.

Clinton plead guilty to perjury while president unlike savant's belief.

Clinton was disbarred unlike savant's belief.

Saddam did set up a hit on Bush I unlike savant's belief.

And now the chemical weapon's facility is a ...chemical weapons facility.

Yet I provided evidence of each item right down the line while savant admits his thinking is conjecture at best.

Savant my buddy if you keep hanging with me and observe perhaps you can become the learned one after all.

PEACE

 
First They Came for the JewsFirst they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller
PEACE

 
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