It's war time...

[Savant 10+ year member]

Timestamp 7:16pm MST, March 23 2002..

Originally posted by LWW !!!NEWSFLASH!!!

Well Savant that was a very good weasel attempt...but par for the course I guess.

 

Now for the news. Chemical weapons have been found in Iraq as ALL of the logical evidence predicted it would be.

Just said LIVE that the plant is a chemical production plant that MAY BE CAPABLE of making chemical weapons, it has not been determined if chemical weapons were actaully being produced..

so, no.. we HAVE NOT found proof.. again, I'd not expect you to understand the difference..

Will you now admit that the chemical weapons sensors over Kuwait were going off because Patriot missiles destroyed warheads with....chemical weapons on board?

see above post.. Add to that, just be cause he 'might have been making' chem weapons, does not mean he launched any.. If they thought the sensors actually detected chem weapons, they would NOT be removing their chem gear.. not that I'd expect you to understand that either..

Will you now admit that Saddamite Hussinsein had the oil wells set afire and that it weren't sparklers as you claimed?

Hey, moron.. how many times do I have to say YES HE LIT THEM ON FIRE.. but that has what to do with what? That is not a WEAPON, it's an atrocity.. so?????? geeeez..

Will you now admit that after the shrapnel has been examined and the missiles were found to be...scuds that they were in fact not bottle rockets as you claimed?

I never said (after the report came out) that it wasn't a scud.. I even admitted to that point, yet you STILL haven't been able to absorb that tidbit.. nor have you absorbed the point about we suspected he had maybe 2 from missing counts from back when.. and while scuds are illegal missles, they are NOT weapons of mass destruction.. since we seem to be stuck on 3 major points.. chem, bio, womd.. scuds are none of those.. *sigh*

Will you now admit that Dubya was right in launching the war to LIBERATE Iraq from an evil dictator instead of making a move for oil and wealth against a man who was trying to help and willingly disarming as you claimed?

Again, he did NOT launch this action for the Iraqi people, they have been suffering under this psycho for a long time, and we never cared. We are there for other reasons, not to free the Iraqi people, that's just a statement the government tossed out at the end.. if it was the real reason, we would have done it a long time ago, not after crying about Saddam not destroying missles fast enough.. Was Saddam 'willing'? NO.. can't blame him (nor do I condone his having weapons like that cause he's psycho, but that doesn't mean I can't sympothise).. he wasn't trying to help and wasn't willingly disarming.. HE WAS DISARMING, the motive or desire is irrelivant..

Or will you attempt another attempt to weasel away and claim you said something else when we all know different?

 

I am asking that you do the right thing and put an end to this foolishness.

 

PEACE (thru )

I'll admit it if/when we determine the factory was turned up for chem weapons.. not before then.. or, as soon as any other 'thing' that is part of the trio is found.. till then, no..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ss3079 This thread is still going?

 

It is really pathetic...you know....nevermind, not going to say it.

 

- Steve

Yeah, we know //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Just can't manage to shut up about it.. the sad side effect of being single and only have war news on tv //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Savant Yeah, we know //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Just can't manage to shut up about it.. the sad side effect of being single and only have war news on tv //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Lol, fair enough.

But really guys, back and forth, back and forth lol...although I have learned a lot from reading every post so far

- Steve

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ss3079 Lol, fair enough.

 

But really guys, back and forth, back and forth lol...although I have learned a lot from reading every post so far

 

- Steve

Cheers to you for actually reading them, some here are just spouting off without paying any attention to words written (and, as jlaine pointed out, you may or may not agree with me.. so don't think I'm trying to thank you for being on my side, nor am I condeming you for being on LWWs side.. truth is, I don't really care //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif )

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Savant Cheers to you for actually reading them, some here are just spouting off without paying any attention to words written (and, as jlaine pointed out, you may or may not agree with me.. so don't think I'm trying to thank you for being on my side, nor am I condeming you for being on LWWs side.. truth is, I don't really care //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif )

Yeah...well...funny thing is you both are convincing and I really have no idea which way to lean

- Steve

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW !!!NEWSFLASH!!!

Well Savant that was a very good weasel attempt...but par for the course I guess.

 

Now for the news. Chemical weapons have been found in Iraq as ALL of the logical evidence predicted it would be.

 

Will you now admit that the chemical weapons sensors over Kuwait were going off because Patriot missiles destroyed warheads with....chemical weapons on board?

 

Will you now admit that Saddamite Hussinsein had the oil wells set afire and that it weren't sparklers as you claimed?

 

Will you now admit that after the shrapnel has been examined and the missiles were found to be...scuds that they were in fact not bottle rockets as you claimed?

 

Will you now admit that Dubya was right in launching the war to LIBERATE Iraq from an evil dictator instead of making a move for oil and wealth against a man who was trying to help and willingly disarming as you claimed?

 

Or will you attempt another attempt to weasel away and claim you said something else when we all know different?

 

I am asking that you do the right thing and put an end to this foolishness.

 

PEACE (thru strength)

I knew about the sensors going off, but no legitimate (by legitimate I mean not govt. controlled) news agency has mentioned anything about finding actual warheads, please show us some links to support your statement.

Never denied that he set the oilfields ablaze. What gets me is how you don't see that he did this AFTER the US started sending in troops.

There were SCUDS fired, and they were illegal SCUDS for that matter, here I will concede. I will also reiterate that the SCUDs WERE being destroyed and were ONLY fired AFTER the US began its attacks

I have seen no evidence that this war is for liberation, at least thats not why George W. Bush started (or for your sake I'll say, resumed) fighting in the beginning, it was because Saddam was tied to al-quida, no wait it was because he HAD WOMD, no wait it was because....... Because there is not one solid reason for the war is more proof at the idiocy behind it.

We are all standing by our positions unwaveringly, that is commendable. Enough has been said, proven, disproven (with the exception of LWW constant whining and bringing up of subjects completely unrelated) to sway people to and from both sides. Never will everyone 100% agree on a course of action, especially one so drastic as war. Myself, Savant (I'm sure), and millions of others will never like this war, nor support it, but the LWW, and millions like him will always see war as required. I hope for the sake of the human race, and for the planet that man will one day see the wrongfullness of war and find better, more huimanitarian ways of solving problems. I still maintain that this war is a mistake.

BTW - the Gulf War ENDED in 1991, when both the US and Iraq pulled their troops out of kuwait. This war with Iraq is now a completely new war, with different objectives, and reasons behind it (on the US side there are at least 3 reasons that the US bounces back and forth between depending on which will get them the most support).

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

OH.. before we hear about if the plant was actually producing chem weapons or not..

I was thinking earlier.. they have had 5 days (or so) to turn up the processing since they knew we actually hit them.. and since they also stopped destroying the Al Samoud missles when we said we were comming in over a week and a 1/2 ago, they might have turned it up then too.. I know if I was a psycho that didn't care and used chem weapons before that I would.. (it's logical.. please don't try to bastardize this statement too.. )

He may well have started is my point.. and might actually have got something put into warheads.. though, I must admit, I have no idea how long it takes to make weapons grade chemicals.. I don't know if he would have had time to get something loaded up or not.. So, lets set up this scenario.. If he has only enough weapons (most likely on site since we don't seem to have evidence that they've been used yet) created to imply a short production, I'm still not sure we can claim victory or vindication for going in for chem weaps.. Now, if it is clear he was producing for a while, and has a 'large' stockpile (too many to have been reasonably made in the past 2 wks), then I will be happy to admit that there may have been merrit from the gov intel about the chem weaps (though, as was pointed out, the facility was desert color and not visable, we stumbled on it? if so, how did we have intel? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif )..

Aaaaaannnnyyyyyyyyyway.... We'll see..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ss3079 Yeah...well...funny thing is you both are convincing and I really have no idea which way to lean

 

- Steve

Lean the way that makes sense to you, that's all you can do..

(just try to keep in mind and look for the examples of how LWW is not playing nice when it comes to debating //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif )

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict There were SCUDS fired, and they were illegal SCUDS for that matter, here I will concede. I will also reiterate that the SCUDs WERE being destroyed and were ONLY fired AFTER the US began its attacks

Actually, I don't think they were doing anything with SCUDs.. it was Al Samoud-IIs.. the SCUDS were supposedly gone a while back, but 2 were unaccounted for.. I still haven't seen anything beyond the one that was split in 1/2 (though, I also heard it was an Al Samoud, not sure which, don't care. neither are chem/bio weaps or WOMD)..

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Learned One let me ask you this. How many Black Flag or Mr Clean plants have you seen in the middle of the desert painted to match the desert floor operated by a General.

By the way CNN, Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, BBC, et al are NOT ran by the government. Al-jezeera and Iraqi TV are.

War is NEVER my first choice but too quote Winston Churchill peace is not merely the abscence of war.

By that logic it was right to let Hitler gas the jews since the war might kill an innocent civilian.

In this world tough choices have to be made. An act which will kill 1,000 to save 10,000,000 in the future is a hard but neccessary caal to make.

If you are being held by the Manson family do you want the police to rescue you knowing that the Manson clan will probably die because of it.

Think about it.

PEACE

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

never have I followed a single thread so much

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

The manson family would be commiting a crime, as they have in the past, and so not be innocent.

The Iraqi/US soldiers and civillians that are being killed have not commited a crime, they are just defending their homeland, and so are innocent. Justify their deaths without twisting facts or truths, keeping in mind that peaceful solutions have been offered both here and from the UN/other sources. Justify putting millions or even billions of lives at risk to get rid of one person (who was willing to avoid war). Keep in mind that misleading us, twisted what I have said/other facts, and spouting off willl be taken as a speach of concession.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Learned One let me ask you this. How many Black Flag or Mr Clean plants have you seen in the middle of the desert painted to match the desert floor operated by a General.

Read the "curiosity" thread.. I responded to this there... Perhaps it's time to abandon one or two of the others since we are repeating ourselves in multiple threads? matters not to me though, which ever way you want to go..

By the way CNN, Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, BBC, et al are NOT ran by the government. Al-jezeera and Iraqi TV are.

 

War is NEVER my first choice but too quote Winston Churchill peace is not merely the abscence of war.

 

By that logic it was right to let Hitler gas the jews since the war might kill an innocent civilian.

 

In this world tough choices have to be made. An act which will kill 1,000 to save 10,000,000 in the future is a hard but neccessary caal to make.

 

If you are being held by the Manson family do you want the police to rescue you knowing that the Manson clan will probably die because of it.

 

Think about it.

Please try to keep your points pertinent to the people they are meant for.. I never said I don't believe in war..

I said I think we are in error in this war.. and I said I don't believe the BS we are being told about this being a humanitarian action.. we knew Hitler was killing people too, we, as a nation, didn't care.. Let me reiterate.. WE DO NOT START FIGHTS TO SAVE PEOPLE... really, we don't.. we join on occasion to help other countries that are engaged in fighting, but don't start fights based on 'liberating' countries.. we covered that in great detail I thought..

So, please, keep responses to people to those people, don't mix them into single posts..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Keep in mind that misleading us, twisted what I have said/other facts, and spouting off willl be taken as a speach of concession.

LOL... Nice try, but he's too dense to get that I bet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Found a few things

This was found on Bushes desk:

The way of things.....

The link between Al-qaeda and Iraq

Bushes revengefor 9/11: