It's war time...

[jester73440 10+ year member]

Better to attack them there and if any mass destrution weapons are used they won't be on a suprise attack on our mainland when we aren't looking like 9/11.Bush is not stupid,I doubt he woke up and thought hey lets see how many people we can kill today.He has advisors and generals telling him we need to do this.I'm sure those people are there for a reason-they know what they are talking about.If a bomb is smuggled over here like a nuke godforbid it happens and it is set off. Better to disarm them now then to let their weapons become more advanced.Would it have been better to stop hitler when he was just starting or was it a good idea to wait around and see what happened. As far as money goes in the end war makes money.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

people realize that Hussien kills his own people, and they live in constant fear, well atleast for the most part, regardless of the "political" and "financal" reasons, he is a horible horrible tyrant, and we should be greatful for what we have, and we should not fight something that is in motion, protesting did not stop vietnam, the loss of life and unsuccessful attack of them was the reason, too many died and no more lives needed to be lost

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by jester73440 Better to attack them there and if any mass destrution weapons are used they won't be on a suprise attack on our mainland when we aren't looking like 9/11.Bush is not stupid,I doubt he woke up and thought hey lets see how many people we can kill today.He has advisors and generals telling him we need to do this.I'm sure those people are there for a reason-they know what they are talking about.If a bomb is smuggled over here like a nuke godforbid it happens and it is set off. Better to disarm them now then to let their weapons become more advanced.Would it have been better to stop hitler when he was just starting or was it a good idea to wait around and see what happened. As far as money goes in the end war makes money.

OMFG! STOP comparing Saddam to Hitler! Even the so called 'experts' realize that that is a stupid comparison.. Hitler was marching across Europe, Saddam is still in Iraq.. HUGE difference there, ya think?

And Bush IS stupid, you ever watch him try to give a press release (answer questions) ?? When he's spewing a speach from a teleprompter he's fine, ask him a question and he can't tell you where his *** is.. I watched a press conference about a week and a 1/2 ago, fuggin moron couldn't answer 1/3 of the questions and made a VERY poor attempt at driving the focus away from what he was trying to avoid, just kept not answering the question by talking about things that had nothing to do with the questions.. he IS a moron.. As far as his 'advisors' go, what about the GLOBAL COMMUNITY that was trying to get him to back off and let the inspectors do their job? No one was saying to ignore the situation, they are/were all saying that we should keep looking around and keep him under a microscope.. killing 10s of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of Americans might well have been avoided had Bush really only wanted him disarmed.. but there is a LOT more to it, most of wich we, the American people, are being kept in the dark about because his 'advisors' know we wouldn't let American Soldiers die for his bullshit agenda..

 

[venom107 10+ year member]

The only thing i'm worried about is selective service formally called "The Draft" Seeing hows I just turned 18 and the stupid Navy, Air Force, and Army wont quit calling me. Isnt that funny the Marines havent even sent a letter. Stupid ASVAB scores the recruiters found out and now they wont leave me alone. But yes our country will prevail but I disagree, we arent just gonna lose a bunch of troops. They bomb then they send in ground troops. Even in Vietnam we lost 1 troop for every 3 north vietnamese. So in a way it is winning. We will not lose ground forces for no reason at all. When our troops went into Somalia we lost 19 men they lost 1,000. Those 19 men died fighting for their country. Im not saying that 1 man lost is worth all of this but we do have a serious advantage. Even when it comes to biological warfare. We arent going in there to take the country over all we are doing is getting Sadam outta there so they can live a little more peacefully. This dude has been killing innocent people for a very long time. We arent going to WIDOW a bunch of Iraqi's either. If you havent noticed by now these people want our help and understand what war intales.

 

[Corsica 5,000+ posts]

Guys lets face it..............we are all ****ed, no winner will be declaired and they hate us neways, they were content being ran by saddam, and now we gonna try to **** that up and they gonan **** us up now.

J

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by denim people realize that Hussien kills his own people, and they live in constant fear, well atleast for the most part, regardless of the "political" and "financal" reasons, he is a horible horrible tyrant, and we should be greatful for what we have, and we should not fight something that is in motion, protesting did not stop vietnam, the loss of life and unsuccessful attack of them was the reason, too many died and no more lives needed to be lost

Read your history.. Vietnam was VERY profitable.. that's the only reason it kept on going for so long.. it was when the media let the public know that we were taking a hill, then letting it go, then taking it again, then letting it go (note, not 'losing' it.. walking away from it).. over and over and over.. and we were killing soooo many troops and for no clear purpose.. The protests finally got enough of the governments attention that they had to tell Lady Bird Johnson that they had to abandon the war (she was making millions on weapons and munitions sales.. ex-president's wife.. go figure)..

And, as I said, the Iraqi people have NOT asked to be saved.. there are atrocities ALL OVER THE WORLD that we don't get involved in.. plenty of psycho rules that, from an American perspective, ****.. do we wage war on them? NO.. why? there is nothing in it for the American people.. this is NOT a war about liberating the Iraqi people, and every time you bring that up you just support my "sheep" statement even more.. liberation is simply the LATEST excuse Bush has used to appeal to the people to support his agenda.. Think about it..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by venom107 We arent going in there to take the country over all we are doing is getting Sadam outta there so they can live a little more peacefully. This dude has been killing innocent people for a very long time. We arent going to WIDOW a bunch of Iraqi's either. If you havent noticed by now these people want our help and understand what war intales.

If we aren't going to "take over the country", then why is there a TEN YEAR OCCUPATION plan in place? That's taking over the country until we get the new government trained the way we want them..

And, if they wanted our help so bad, why not ask? why not have a civil war? or a revolutionary war? We did.. both.. why? we believed in something and, as a 'people' wanted change.. they, do not.. Yes, he is a horrible being.. does horrid things to his own people and no, I don't think they like it.. but they obviously don't think it's as terrible as the average middle American housewife who sits in front of a TV all day watching soaps.. It's a totally different culture.. totally different outlook on life with totally different values.. Stop trying to imply that the US is there for the Iraqi people.. we are NOT there for that.. If we were, that would have been the statement the entire time, not just as the latest excuse in a list of ever changing reasons for being there..

 

[pacfalife 10+ year member]

I hate people that are just plain stupid. But I do agree that war isn't fun neither good. In ways it can be benificial and good but not to an extent. I think that there are more pros then cons in this tho, and Bush is our president and we are americans and we should support him....not sayin you can't express your feelings but support america. I hate stupid a$$ people that are fukin blind.....how can we just forget about 9/11? It was a bad day in history and i hope you never forget it. Maybe if your fukin relatives were killed then maybe you would be more respectful to going to war. You have to be plain stupid if you think there is no relationship between Saddam and Osama. There needs to be something done about saddam and that something is happening right now. So stop and realize people are dyin for us over in Iraq and people died during 9/11. Or maybe the people that you are supporting right now could of let the terrorists control the plane and landed in your home town and maybe then you would realize. War is what needs to happen and Saddam will be killed.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

it takes alot more than Bush to start a war

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

**** it. Bomb em, kill Sadaam, I don't give a shit. I can't do much about it anyway. If they wanna bomb us, go right ahead. I'm in NY, I'll be one of the first to get blown up.

It's quite obvious that I didn't care for History/Government class in High School.

 

[ricerdude 10+ year member]

Bush didnt start a war..it was osama and suddam..they started shit..just think how you felt on the day that you heard about the twin towers...i was pissed off..i wanted to go to war but i think bush is takin his time with war because he knows that suddam has neuclear weapons and he could fuk some shit up...we dont know the insde info that they dont tell us....if it wasnt a good idea they wouldnt go to war....

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[pacfalife 10+ year member]

peoplea are fukin stupid....if you don't want to support america go live with saddam in iraq. fukin shit

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by pacfalife I hate people that are just plain stupid. But I do agree that war isn't fun neither good.

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In ways it can be benificial and good but not to an extent. I think that there are more pros then cons in this tho, and Bush is our president and we are americans and we should support him....

Support him why? He wasn't even voted into office! His brother was the govener of the state that fukked up the voting so bad that it had to be discluded, and even without that state, he didn't have the most votes, the Supreme Court had to put him in office.. sheesh.. support someone like that? that shouldn't even be in office? some oil tycoon greedy bastard that is letting his buddies **** the American public at the gas pumps despite the FACT that oil prices are now falling?! Yeah, he's respectable.. I'll support him .. I suppose the people should have blindly supported Nixon as well?

not sayin you can't express your feelings but support america. I hate stupid a$$ people that are fukin blind.....how can we just forget about 9/11?

There has been NO proof that Saddam is in cahoots with bin Laden.. infact, there have been tapes found were (before all this crap happened) bin Laden denounced Saddam as being a fukked up shitbag.. Oh, wait.. that was a scam elaborated to try and keep the money trail (of which there seems to be no prook) from linking them.. hmm... So, if there is NO real proof that there is a direct link to Sept. 11, your argument looses ALL merit..

It was a bad day in history and i hope you never forget it. Maybe if your fukin relatives were killed then maybe you would be more respectful to going to war. You have to be plain stupid if you think there is no relationship between Saddam and Osama. There needs to be something done about saddam and that something is happening right now. So stop and realize people are dyin for us over in Iraq and people died during 9/11. Or maybe the people that you are supporting right now could of let the terrorists control the plane and landed in your home town and maybe then you would realize. War is what needs to happen and Saddam will be killed.

According to the rules of war (which Bush stated that Saddam wouldn't honor), we can't kill him.. no leader of a nation can be intentionally killed during war (but, notice, even though we are invading Iraq under the guise of war, I don't think there has been an official declaration yet).. I agree he should die, he's a horrid human being.. but then, I know plenty of nasty people in THIS country that should be killed too.. Shall we just start rounding up people we don't like and kill them? Who makes the descision of who should die and who should live? What makes the criteria?

As a point of note, you might want to take care about "hating stupid people" if you can't manage to string together one coherent sentance.. How you manage to express yourself reflects a great deal about your intelligence..

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by pacfalife peoplea are fukin stupid....if you don't want to support america go live with saddam in iraq. fukin shit

And would this be in reference to me?

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ricerdude Bush didnt start a war..it was osama and suddam..they started shit..just think how you felt on the day that you heard about the twin towers...i was pissed off..i wanted to go to war but i think bush is takin his time with war because he knows that suddam has neuclear weapons and he could fuk some shit up...we dont know the insde info that they dont tell us....if it wasnt a good idea they wouldnt go to war....

 

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A) There has been no proof submited to the public that shows a clear connection between bin Laden and Suddam.. just the word of some government officals..

B) There has been no proof offered that Saddam had neuclear weapons.. He's been working with depelted uranium which means he could build them eventually, and I agree that that is a BAD idea.. but Bush certianly wasn't waiting because he was afraid of nukes..

C) Vietnam was NOT a good idea.. but we did it.. and the government lied to the people about why (for Democracy and Capitolism.. guess what, you can't have a capitolism if you only produce rice).. Once we found out about it, we got pissed and made the governemnt back out.. we had NO business being there, other than humanitarian reasons, but as has been noted before, we ignore humanitarian atrocities all the time if there isn't anything in it for us..