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Originally posted by CarAudioAddict I personally do not have any problems with americans. Besides their beleif that they are superior to everyone else, which in itself is evidence to the contrary.
you just sid you dont have any problems and then the very next sentence you said they think they are superior to everyone else...i dunno about everybody else, but to me that seems like a problem you have with americans, even though it is not true. how can you stereotype us like that? so should i say ALL canadians are good for is making beer and playing hockey? no...thats not true...most live the same exact life americans do. so dont stereotype americans.

u said before that Americans take advantage of canadians for their oil?? now thats not an anti-bush statement. that sounds like an anti-american statement to me.

 
Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Why do people link anti-Bush and anti-American together?
I dont...Savant is clearly anti-bush. you seem to be more anti-american. i havent really seen you talk bad about bush. you only talk bad about the US in general. ex. we steal your oil, we think we are better then others.

 
I am Anti-Bush. In my posts I may have things like "the US sent in troops", but it was Bush who sent in the troops.

Bush is supposed to speak for the US population, but this war is proof that he speaks or his own ends.

Most Americans that I have met have been decent people. I hold nothing against them. But they have all had the same basic attitude of "I'm better than you", which is 100% incorrect. NO-ONE IS BETTER THAN ME, BUT I'M ALSO BETTER THAN NO-ONE

NEWS UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

200 Iraqi civillians killed in US (Bush) Bombing.

62 others injured

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Originally posted by Bumpin03 you just sid you dont have any problems and then the very next sentence you said they think they are superior to everyone else...i dunno about everybody else, but to me that seems like a problem you have with americans, even though it is not true. how can you stereotype us like that? so should i say ALL canadians are good for is making beer and playing hockey? no...thats not true...most live the same exact life americans do. so dont stereotype americans.

 

 

u said before that Americans take advantage of canadians for their oil?? now thats not an anti-bush statement. that sounds like an anti-american statement to me.
I do apologize, although I don't remember saying that Americans take advantage of us for our oil (I will go back and check on that). I will rephrase what I said: Many americans have an attitude of being superior to other people, which is completely wrong.

I will admit that ALL americans are not like this, in fact some even feel the exact opposite

EDIT - Went back, found nothing about "US takes advantage of us for our oil". let me guess - You and LWW are a team.

 
Originally posted by Gauntlet If you really followed the bible, you would know that anyone who isn't God is not in the position to make judgments on the final destination (Heaven/Hell) of anyone else. God is the only one that knows that, so your comments are more or less invalid. And a bit far-fetched in addition to that. [/quote

whos saying someone other than god is making judgments?

i have not said that,hes the only one whos gonna make judgment on final destination,

and what you mean with (heaven/hell)?

i not really religious either but i grew up on jehova witnessess til age of 14 when i quit for been a teenager wanting to mess around and things that i wasnt supposted to do under religion but thinking in goin back soon.

you should find me a proof on bible where saying hell or heaven is goin to be our destination,

i can get you a proof on bible where god choose only 144,000 people to go to heaven as angel after dying and there is only a few left on earth living, but the hell thing that dont exist you die you gone forever there is no second world or life after death unless you follow god word thru jehova's witnesses,god promise in the bible eternal life been young healthy forever

that sound good isn't?

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Originally posted by CarAudioAddict I am Anti-Bush. In my posts I may have things like "the US sent in troops", but it was Bush who sent in the troops.

 

Bush is supposed to speak for the US population, but this war is proof that he speaks or his own ends.

 

Most Americans that I have met have been decent people. I hold nothing against them. But they have all had the same basic attitude of "I'm better than you", which is 100% incorrect. NO-ONE IS BETTER THAN ME, BUT I'M ALSO BETTER THAN NO-ONE

 

 

 

 

NEWS UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

200 Iraqi civillians killed in US (Bush) Bombing.

62 others injured

Source CJPR MOUNTAIN RADIO 1490 AM
i hate to tell you this but this is not just Bush, this (taking out Saddam)has been in the works since Clinton was in office (i think it was in 98) some 19 congressmen 9 ofwhich are still in office or in the Bush cabinet drew up a resolution to do just whats going on now. so Bush didnt justget into office and say ok I wanna take him out. what most dont understand it DOES take more than just the pres. say go take out Saddam it dont work that way.

and as for Bush speaking forthe us people he does but the only ones you really see are the protesters. as in any case youll always see more against(on tv) then you do for something. it makes for better tv. and plus most of these against this war or any other war for that matter are people (liberals) who would never stand up a fight against someone or for thier country now matter what the reason. most people i know which ranges from thoses who have little to the very rich support BUSH and would be happy to serve for thier country. this is not just about chem or bio weapons but a whaole lot and bigger picture

 
Originally posted by CarAudioAddict I do apologize, although I don't remember saying that Americans take advantage of us for our oil (I will go back and check on that). I will rephrase what I said: Many americans have an attitude of being superior to other people, which is completely wrong.

 

I will admit that ALL americans are not like this, in fact some even feel the exact opposite

 

 

EDIT - Went back, found nothing about "US takes advantage of us for our oil". let me guess - You and LWW are a team.
people no matter who theyare think they are better than others not just Americans twards others but just people against people. thats just human nature

we dont think we're better we would like the world who doesnt have what we do to have what we do.

i wish everyone would get over the oil bs its an old and unjustified bit*h

 
Funny how you ONCE AGIAN bastardized the context to try and further your position.. Did you really think I was gonna let you walk away like that?
eek...eeek...eeek...

What's that I hear? Why of course it's Savant being a weasal again. You stated that just because they were firing missiles didn't make them illegal, of course ignoring that they flew an illegal distance, and that as part of my eveidence being the fired missiles and that I would accept a bottle rocket as evidence gthen these illegal missiles could be bottle rockets.

Your bull dung beotch statements and beotch retractions are tiring. You lied. You know it. So do the rest of us. Sadly we expect it.

As to bumpin and I being a team no we aren't although the liberal type sees a "vast right wing conspiracy everywhere". More of the Clinton/Gore playbook. Any dissenting opinion must be due to:

1-Conspiracy.

2-Racism.

3-Sexism.

4-Homophobism.

5-Love of war.

So far by your own definitions we have as main arguers aweasel who is too arrogant to get off their arse and vote-that would give them some actual responsibility in the way the system works. Then a Canadian who rides the coattails of American power and then complains about how bad we make it for them.

You guys aren't even competition in the arena of ideas...the amazing thing is that you can't see it.

I agree with the rest at this point and take your rancid drug infested arses to Iraq and pickmup a protest sign when you see something you don't agree with.

QUIT WASTING THE GOOD AIR OF FREEDOM. IF WE ARE SO FORNICATED WHY DO YOU SUP AT THE TABLE OF PLENTY AND FREEDOM THAT THIS NATION PROVIDES?

I think it is because you are just small petty people who attempt to incite what is right is some perverse attempt to hide the weasel nature which rules you.

Sad...truly sad.

PEACE

 
Originally posted by rsflores i hate to tell you this but this is not just Bush, this (taking out Saddam)has been in the works since Clinton was in office (i think it was in 98) some 19 congressmen 9 ofwhich are still in office or in the Bush cabinet drew up a resolution to do just whats going on now. so Bush didnt justget into office and say ok I wanna take him out. what most dont understand it DOES take more than just the pres. say go take out Saddam it dont work that way.

 

and as for Bush speaking forthe us people he does but the only ones you really see are the protesters. as in any case youll always see more against(on tv) then you do for something. it makes for better tv. and plus most of these against this war or any other war for that matter are people (liberals) who would never stand up a fight against someone or for thier country now matter what the reason. most people i know which ranges from thoses who have little to the very rich support BUSH and would be happy to serve for thier country. this is not just about chem or bio weapons but a whaole lot and bigger picture
ok then, I'm anti-any_govt_that_launches_an_unprovoked_war

Either way, I am against this war for many reasons:

1. unprovoked (the 9/11 bombings were by Al-qaeda, which is from Saudi-Arabia not Iraq)

2. The bush govt cannot decide on a single reason

3. all diplomatic/non-war channels were NOT exhausted

4. There is less than 40% US support and less than 30% world support (haven't seen any stats on this since 2-3 weeks ago, though I doubt they've changed much)

5. Saddam was not a threat to the world, nor the US at the time of the declaration of war

6. There is NO proof that Saddam (although a madman) has had any WOMD since the gulf war. (which was the second reason the war was instigated

7. Saddam WAS beginning to co-operate with the UN (until the declaration of war)

Don''t get me wrong, I do agree that Saddam should be removed from power and that I would support this war if it could be justified, but this war CANNOT be justified so I cannot support it.

Even if there are WOMD destruction found, it then has to be proven that they were built BEFORE the war. Weapons built during/after the war cannot be used to justify the war. As they were built after the fact and didn't exist when the UN was doing its inspections.

This thread is getting tiring, and everyone just keeps running around in circles. We all have our own opinions about this war (those with common sense are against it, and vise-versa). About the only thing we can agree on is that Saddam must be removed form power.

Being that the United States of America, and Canada are both free countries, we all have the right to our own opinions, and the right to express them. No one will ever agree on everything.

 
Originally posted by LWW Then a Canadian who rides the coattails of American power and then complains about how bad we make it for them.

 

You guys aren't even competition in the arena of ideas...the amazing thing is that you can't see it.

 

I agree with the rest at this point and take your rancid drug infested arses to Iraq and pickmup a protest sign when you see something you don't agree with.

 

QUIT WASTING THE GOOD AIR OF FREEDOM. IF WE ARE SO FORNICATED WHY DO YOU SUP AT THE TABLE OF PLENTY AND FREEDOM THAT THIS NATION PROVIDES?

 

I think it is because you are just small petty people who attempt to incite what is right is some perverse attempt to hide the weasel nature which rules you.

 

Sad...truly sad.

 

PEACE
If we Canadians are so bad why do Americans put CANADIAN pins, flags, etc. on their luggage when they travel?

Could it be because Canadians are respected in the world while Americans aren't.

Why is it that Canada Honours its FREE TRADE AGREEMENT with the US when the US goct and companies put 30%+ Tariffs on everything we buy?

Isn't Canada the home of the worlds larhgest Radar net, NORAD?

Why is 65% of New Yorks Electricity bought off Canada?

Isn't Canada the second largest supllier of oil for the US?

Could it be that Canada is more significant than you think?

YES!!!!!! A good portion of The US's power (Economical, defense, etc.) is built on Canada.

 
Why did all of a sudden this thread go to Canada vs. US ?

I dont get it...

Arent we all supposed to be equal?

Its sickening, some of the things that have been said...defending your own country or not, its still pathetic.

- Steve

 
until you look at the legaleez of it all.. the last resolution was worded something like 'this is your last chance to disarm'.. um... ok, by when? disarm what? If we had made a CLEAR line as to when, what, etc and not let legaleez play into it and Saddam still didn't comply, I would have a different opinion
This is one of the largest excrement piles posted yet. For those who are foolish enough to spout when they haven't read UN res 1441 I have included highlights and a link to it so nobody can weasel and say it was misquoted. Although windy it is very specific and goes to great length to be specific as to Iraq's many violations and what would need be done to remedy them which they tried to weasel on each count themselves.

To those who say this is not an authorized war please read as it disproves this as well. What this is in reality is the UN being taken kicking and screaming into REALITY that they have ordained the war and passed the resolutions BUT without US of A resolve their sorry arsed chick dung members lack the testicular (or ovarial to be fair) fortitude to enforce what they have condoned and KNOW to be right.

In particular I would like to highlight one area:

Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions and recalling that the resolutions of the Council constitute the governing standard of Iraqi compliance,
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/15016.htm

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The Security Council,
Recognizing the threat Iraq’s non-compliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 and to restore international peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 , of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites

Deploring the absence, since December 1998, in Iraq of international monitoring, inspection, and verification, as required by relevant resolutions, of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, in spite of the Council’s repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), established in resolution 1284 as the successor organization to UNSCOM, and the IAEA, and regretting the consequent prolonging of the crisis in the region and the suffering of the Iraqi people,

Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 , 687 , and 1284 to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,

Recalling that in its resolution 687 the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 , in particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687;

2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 and subsequent resolutions of the Council;

3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;

Decides that false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq’s obligations and will be reported to the Council for assessment in accordance with paragraphs below;

Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC’s or the IAEA’s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;

Decides further that, in view of the prolonged interruption by Iraq of the presence of UNMOVIC and the IAEA and in order for them to accomplish the tasks set forth in this resolution and all previous relevant resolutions and notwithstanding prior understandings, the Council hereby establishes the following revised or additional authorities, which shall be binding upon Iraq, to facilitate their work in Iraq:

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have unrestricted rights of entry into and out of Iraq, the right to free, unrestricted, and immediate movement to and from inspection sites, and the right to inspect any sites and buildings, including immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to Presidential Sites equal to that at other sites, notwithstanding the provisions of resolution 1154 ;

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to be provided by Iraq the names of all personnel currently and formerly associated with Iraq’s chemical, biological, nuclear, and ballistic missile programmes and the associated research, development, and production facilities;

Requests the Secretary-General immediately to notify Iraq of this resolution, which is binding on Iraq; demands that Iraq confirm within seven days of that notification its intention to comply fully with this resolution; and demands further that Iraq cooperate immediately, unconditionally, and actively with UNMOVIC and the IAEA;

Directs the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director-General of the IAEA to report immediately to the Council any interference by Iraq with inspection activities, as well as any failure by Iraq to comply with its disarmament obligations, including its obligations regarding inspections under this resolution;

Decides to convene immediately upon receipt of a report in accordance with paragraphs 4 or 11 above, in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance with all of the relevant Council resolutions in order to secure international peace and security;

Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;

Iraq will ensure that no proscribed material, equipment, records or other relevant items will be destroyed except in the presence of UNMOVIC and/or IAEA inspectors, as appropriate, and at their request.

UNMOVIC and the IAEA may conduct interviews with any person in Iraq whom they believe may have information relevant to their mandate. Iraq will facilitate such interviews. It is for UNMOVIC and the IAEA to choose the mode and location for interviews.
PEACE

 
Lol, a friend of mine just e-mailed this to me:

An Apology to the USA

(Courtesy of Rick Mercer from This Hour Has 22 Minutes CBC Television)

On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to the United States of America. We haven't been getting along very well recently and for that, I am truly sorry.

I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron but, it wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the fact that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of America. After all it's not like you actually elected him.

I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more trees than you doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's cheaper and better than your own.

I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defence I guess our excuse would be that our team was much, much, much, much better than yours.

I'm sorry we burnt down your white house during the war of 1812. I notice you've rebuilt it! It's Very Nice.

I'm sorry about your beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer but, we Feel your Pain.

I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going up against a crazed dictator, you wanna have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys pitched in against Hitler, but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons.

And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we're constantly apologizing for things in a passive-aggressive way which is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope that you're not upset over this. We've seen what you do to countries you get upset with.

Thank you.

Dont take it seriously;)

- Steve

 
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