Is a Capacitor worth it?

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

Threads like this are why I try to find a guy at an install shop that actually knows what he's doing. I give him the money, he makes stuff work.

Now where is the fun in that? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[SomeGuyDude 10+ year member]

LOL, I have limits to how much work I'm willing to put into this stuff. I'll research the products to find the best ones for my budget, I'll do the math and design the box, but once it turns into wiring/electrical issues beyond "wire in parallel or series" and my eyes just cross.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

LOL, I have limits to how much work I'm willing to put into this stuff. I'll research the products to find the best ones for my budget, I'll do the math and design the box, but once it turns into wiring/electrical issues beyond "wire in parallel or series" and my eyes just cross.

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I actually had a 1 farad cap in my other truck and it did help with dimming...of course that was a '99 Silverado and before I heard about the "Big 3" and specialized car audio batteries like Kinetik. My '08 Silverado is running fine and as I tend to be more of a critical listener than a HUGE bass pounder, I'm always looking for ways to get more performance out of what I have. 1000W RMS isn't huge, and I'm getting older, so my hearing probably isn't what it used to be...I certainly don't need to add more DB's so I can go deaf quicker. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[smoka 10+ year member]

smoka says: Please stop posting this false info. Its funny how the noobs believe you.
12.6v is a batts floating voltage. Its called a "floating voltage" because it CAN and DOES discharge at voltages above that.

You are the one that needs to go take classes, because you don't understand ohms law and how voltage and current relate to each other.

/smoka

It fits into the debate because you caught smoka in a lie. Thank you.

eCrack you think floating voltage = floating charge? Do I really need to expain the difference????

Let me explain it to you in easy terms so you can attempt to grasp this simple info. At 12.6v a batts floating voltage = resting voltage (batt with 0 load). When charging a batt the floating voltage is higher than 12.6v.

Now when an alt is charging a batt, lets just say its charging it at 50A. Now when you hit a quick bass note that makes your amp demand 100A of current. 50A will come from your alt, and the other 50A will come from the batt. If the load is quick enough, your voltage will NOT drop below 12.6v. The alt is not fast enough to change its output dynamically based on the load from the amp. (oh crap, I think this last sentance was over your head)

I said the batt CAN and DOES provide output at above 12.6v. Obviously it will only be for a very short time.

 

[Stalin-ohaulic]

eCrack you think floating voltage = floating charge? Do I really need to expain the difference????
Let me explain it to you in easy terms so you can attempt to grasp this simple info. At 12.6v a batts floating voltage = resting voltage (batt with 0 load). When charging a batt the floating voltage is higher than 12.6v.

Now when an alt is charging a batt, lets just say its charging it at 50A. Now when you hit a quick bass note that makes your amp demand 100A of current. 50A will come from your alt, and the other 50A will come from the batt. If the load is quick enough, your voltage will NOT drop below 12.6v. The alt is not fast enough to change its output dynamically based on the load from the amp. (oh crap, I think this last sentance was over your head)

I said the batt CAN and DOES provide output at above 12.6v. Obviously it will only be for a very short time.

Ok even IF that is ALL you are saying, it's still not applicable. Current ONLY flows from the highest source of potential in a parallel circuit. The battery IS NOT discharging while the alternator is powering the system (14v+). This is common sense or the battery would never charge back up. It would always be discharging. How would it ever charge? You have no argument here. You have been wrong from the get go. You can change the point that you're arguing until you're blue in the face but at the end of the day just **** it up and admit I taught you something. You came in here thinking I was saying how great caps were, you re-read and found out that I wasn't saying that at all, and you learned something. Get over it. You were wrong. We all are from time to time...

 

[Pioneer~Saturn 5,000+ posts]

Ok even IF that is ALL you are saying, it's still not applicable. Current ONLY flows from the highest source of potential in a parallel circuit. The battery IS NOT discharging while the alternator is powering the system (14v+). This is common sense or the battery would never charge back up. It would always be discharging. How would it ever charge? You have no argument here. You have been wrong from the get go. You can change the point that you're arguing until you're blue in the face but at the end of the day just **** it up and admit I taught you something. You came in here thinking I was saying how great caps were, you re-read and found out that I wasn't saying that at all, and you learned something. Get over it. You were wrong. We all are from time to time...

So what youre saying is that (keeping the same situation he said) if 100 amps is drawn and you have a 50 amp output from your alt, then nothing is being discharged from the battery?...

 

[smoka 10+ year member]

Current ONLY flows from the highest source of potential in a parallel circuit.

That is what they teach you in high school. In college you will learn the opposite. I've already proven you are wrong on this.

Stop copying what you see on the internet, because its not always true.

 

[Stalin-ohaulic]

That is what they teach you in high school. In college you will learn the opposite. I've already proven you are wrong on this.
Stop copying what you see on the internet, because its not always true.

You have only proven that you're an idiot. You have NOT proven me wrong in any way and anyone can see that.

 

[Stalin-ohaulic]

So what youre saying is that (keeping the same situation he said) if 100 amps is drawn and you have a 50 amp output from your alt, then nothing is being discharged from the battery?...

That's not what I'm saying. If the alt reached it's limit, wouldn't the voltage regulator lower the voltage? At some point, it would reach the battery's resting voltage and it would then be the source of highest potential and begin discharging.

 

[Pioneer~Saturn 5,000+ posts]

You have only proven that you're an idiot. You have NOT proven me wrong in any way and anyone can see that.

man, arent you just full of answers...

From what you posted previously you basically said you dont need a battery/batteries as long as the voltage is kept up...I'd like to see this

 

[Stalin-ohaulic]

man, arent you just full of answers...

No questions were asked. WHy when someone attacks me am I the bad guy for defending myself?

 

[SomeGuyDude 10+ year member]

Current ONLY flows from the highest source of potential in a parallel circuit. The battery IS NOT discharging while the alternator is powering the system (14v+).

Okay I admit it's been a long time since my college physics courses but something doesn't seem kosher with this part.

 

[Stalin-ohaulic]

man, arent you just full of answers...
From what you posted previously you basically said you dont need a battery/batteries as long as the voltage is kept up...I'd like to see this

Are you serious? Do you think a battery is necessary for the vehicle to stay running or something? I just don't understand what you think you're getting at here.

 

[Stalin-ohaulic]

Okay I admit it's been a long time since my college physics courses but something doesn't seem kosher with this part.

Go look it up.

 

[SomeGuyDude 10+ year member]

In the process of it now. Finding things like the following:

"Peak loads and prolonged idle conditions can result in battery discharge, since the alternator cannot keep up with the power usage. Idling for long periods of time with the lights, defrosters, heater, radio on can pull more amps out of the battery than the charging system can put back into it. You may think you have a charging problem, but there is nothing wrong with the alternator."

EDIT: bad interpretation. Trying to find more. But it definitely sounds like when the load is high enough it starts pulling from the battery, whereas what you said earlier implied that once the alternator takes over, the battery is out of the equation which certainly isn't the case otherwise extra batteries wouldn't help the system at all.