Is a Capacitor worth it?

yes!!!!!!!!!! Dont Search About It But Start Another Thread About If Capacitors Are Good Or Not!!!!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif:d:d:d:d

 
What exactly are you asking? Are you asking for some sort of rule of thumb? Are you trying to disprove a capacitor's worth? If you are trying to do the latter, then I want you to do an experiment for me. I want you to shut your computer off. Then unplug the power cable from the wall. Then open the case. Then pull the power supply out. Unscrew the 4 screws and then unplug all the connectors going to drives and the motherboard etc. Then open up the power supply. Take out the capacitors in there. Put everything back together and power the computer back on.
Now you will have proven that capacitors filter the power and are necessary for stable operation of equipment. Computers use 5v and 12v. It's not much of a stretch to draw a parallel between the two devices and this is all common sense. Before you attempt to argue with me, go learn some electronics and then argue with the laws of physics that determine how it works.
Dude that went way over my head.

I was asking that, conceding that most people who pick up a 1Fd cap from Best Buy aren't using them properly or whatever, how would one optimally use them in a car audio application? There's obviously SOME way that they'd be useful, but I'm not even close to educated enough to know what that would be.

 
Dude that went way over my head.
I was asking that, conceding that most people who pick up a 1Fd cap from Best Buy aren't using them properly or whatever, how would one optimally use them in a car audio application? There's obviously SOME way that they'd be useful, but I'm not even close to educated enough to know what that would be.
sq guys use them to smooth out voltage ripple, i guess they work ok for that, but they are not meant to boost the power output of you charging system like most people try to use them for

 
Dude that went way over my head.
I was asking that, conceding that most people who pick up a 1Fd cap from Best Buy aren't using them properly or whatever, how would one optimally use them in a car audio application? There's obviously SOME way that they'd be useful, but I'm not even close to educated enough to know what that would be.
The problem lies with the purpose most people believe capacitors are for. Are they magical and make power? Of course not and neither do batteries. The proper application is not some magic band-aid that helps when you can't supply enough current. It's to prevent voltage dips. If the voltage is going to dip and stay there, the cap won't help for long. If the voltage is going to dip and come back up as with most transient music, then a cap can and will help. Caps discharge and recharge instantly. They won't wait to do it. That's why there is such a thing as "inrush current". If caps waited to recharge, how in the hell would a capacitor in a computer power supply work? Computers draw a very consistent amount of current all the time. If they just depleted and never recharged how would they filter the 60hz ripple?

So in short the proper application for a capacitor in the car audio world is after the installer has provided enough current at 14.4v via the alternator so that the amplifier can play at full tilt and the system still maintain very near 14.4v. Pick several capacitors with the lowest ESR you can find and put them as close to the amplifier as you can. They will filter the ripple and keep the sound clean. Again, the reason these idiots think caps have no purpose is because they don't understand the purpose of them.

 
exactly if you open your amp up and look at the "guts" you will see that no matter how big or small or price tag (high or low) the amp has capacitors. they do have a role but it is not to make the electrical in your car sustain high current draw (aka cure the dimming light issue) if added correctly after the batteries before the amp it will cure ac ripple and also help to keep the amp seeing the same voltage at all times with minimal drops. BUT ONLY AFTER NECESSARY WIRE AND ELECTRICAL UPGRADES ARE DONE!!!!!!

 
The problem lies with the purpose most people believe capacitors are for. Are they magical and make power? Of course not and neither do batteries. The proper application is not some magic band-aid that helps when you can't supply enough current. It's to prevent voltage dips. If the voltage is going to dip and stay there, the cap won't help for long. If the voltage is going to dip and come back up as with most transient music, then a cap can and will help. Caps discharge and recharge instantly. They won't wait to do it. That's why there is such a thing as "inrush current". If caps waited to recharge, how in the hell would a capacitor in a computer power supply work? Computers draw a very consistent amount of current all the time. If they just depleted and never recharged how would they filter the 60hz ripple?
So in short the proper application for a capacitor in the car audio world is after the installer has provided enough current at 14.4v via the alternator so that the amplifier can play at full tilt and the system still maintain very near 14.4v. Pick several capacitors with the lowest ESR you can find and put them as close to the amplifier as you can. They will filter the ripple and keep the sound clean. Again, the reason these idiots think caps have no purpose is because they don't understand the purpose of them.
It's good that someone is finally explaining all these things. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

Whenever there is a question about capacitors, a lot of "smart" members will say that they are useless and should be trashed yet they don't have any idea how it REALLY works. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 
sq guys use them to smooth out voltage ripple, i guess they work ok for that, but they are not meant to boost the power output of you charging system like most people try to use them for
Basically in car audio yes, that is the main purpose. You have to understand that car audio is a very specialized thing. For some reason they chose 12v dc to power vehicles and it creates some very big hurdles. Hundreds of amps of current are very inefficient to supply anywhere. That's why we use high voltage and low current to deliver electricity to people's homes. Big banks of batteries are impractical for daily driving as they can't be recharged while driving because what alternator could recharge them? I mean, people act like batteries are greater than capacitors yet they don't know what either is for. In a spl setup, a battery will be more beneficial than a cap could ever be BUT, it doesn't mean a battery is greater than a capacitor. All it means is each has a purpose. Most people on here are designing daily driving setups where they have huge amps, huge subs, and a stock alt. They are asking for trouble and recommend that everyone just "add a battery". In reality, that's a bunch of crap. If they did the big 3 and established good grounds and ran the proper size wire, the voltage wouldn't drop below 12v EVER. Their starting battery isn't fully discharging and dropping it's voltage below 12v. It's that their connections have so much resistance that under heavy draw it causes the voltage to drop. They don't realize this because they put the battery in the back near the amp and took all of their crappy connections out of the equation and think that a second battery magically helped. It only masked their problem. It will eventually manifest itself.

I'm sorry it's just that idiots that recommend batteries all the time anger me because they don't have a clue what they are talking about. They act like they do and then call you an idiot if you want to use a cap. I encourage everyone to take some basic electronics classes before posting anymore.

OR just join my site and I'll explain it all in a much calmer, less arrogant and assholish tone. I apologize for acting like such a pompous ***... I just get so aggravated at people being pompous ***** yet they have no clue what they are talking about.

 
I have no issues in my '08 Chevy Silverado with my system...amps never go into protect...hits pretty good...sounds great...however, I see so many on here complaining that they can't get steady 14.4 voltage.

My vehicle has a built in voltage regulator and as I drive around town, it typically starts around 14-15v and then will drop to as low as 12 or 13v. My GM expert explained that the onboard computer in conjunction with the voltage regulator will vary the voltage depending on the load, temperature, etc. I've never noticed any impact on my audio system.

Is it a good thing to try to force your electrical system to maintain a constant voltage when you add aftermarket audio equipment or should one simply "let it be"?

 
I have no issues in my '08 Chevy Silverado with my system...amps never go into protect...hits pretty good...sounds great...however, I see so many on here complaining that they can't get steady 14.4 voltage.
My vehicle has a built in voltage regulator and as I drive around town, it typically starts around 14-15v and then will drop to as low as 12 or 13v. My GM expert explained that the onboard computer in conjunction with the voltage regulator will vary the voltage depending on the load, temperature, etc. I've never noticed any impact on my audio system.

Is it a good thing to try to force your electrical system to maintain a constant voltage when you add aftermarket audio equipment or should one simply "let it be"?
Great question and this is what I was talking about. It is hard on electronics to have constant voltage fluctuation. The electronics are designed to work in certain tolerances for a specified amount of time. Anything above or below this tolerance can instantly kill the equipment especially the farther away from it you get. Staying within tolerance but bouncing around will speed up the demise of the equipment but it may still last long enough for you to enjoy it. Fluxuating between 14.4v and 12.6v is not terrible. If you go below that on a regular basis with most equipment, you are being really hard on it. Again, you probably won't damage it any time soon by doing that... probably your voltage regulator in your alt will be the first to go.

 
hamster guy most audio batterys today can and will charge/discharge about as fast as a cap
i dont know of any batterys that charge in seconds

my batt takes 2 days to charge to 13.8v from 12v (when i run my system standalone)

why don't you ever see a cap in anything other than a lowby build?
caps are so great at "discharging fast" why aren't the loudest cars in the world using them?????
the reason the best car systems dont use caps is that they run 5+ batterys in parallel

u should all know what happens when u put resistors in parallel same goes for source impedance

5 batts can put out about 500A without to much of a volt drop

The voltage regulator in the alt sees this and turns the voltage down to reduce the current being drawn from the alt to protect it
i havent heared that 1 before

an intelligent alt, most ive seen just have a bridge rectifier (4 very high current diodes) some have a basic voltage reg

altho i have only see old alts but i cant c the design changing much

an alt's voltage drops with any additional load try puttin ur full beam on or ur fan on and monitor the voltage

also the more load u put on an alt the more load it puts on ur engine

a generator gets harder to drive the harder r run it

the the rest of what u said was good

 
this would be the reason that some of us have a H.O alt in our vehicle and extra batteries. the only thing a cap is good for is the light and the volt meter . and since you know so much ecrack tell me and the rest of us why don't the worlds loudest vehicle have a cap . could it be that extra batteries are better any day then a cap.

 
this would be the reason that some of us have a H.O alt in our vehicle and extra batteries. the only thing a cap is good for is the light and the volt meter . and since you know so much ecrack tell me and the rest of us why don't the worlds loudest vehicle have a cap . could it be that extra batteries are better any day then a cap.
Wow douchebag if you could read you'd already see where I explained that. I swear that some of you on this forum have the reading for comprehension skills of a retarded infant.

 
Holy crap, someone that actually gets it! Thank you, finally someone I can relate to. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
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