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[Incriminator 10+ year member]

for the 3rd time.... is there plans for a ten inch version?

Yep, it's next after the 18 and 21! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Still tooling parts! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

so what is the rebuttal for the basket statement?

 

[IA2 10+ year member]

what rebuttal?

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

not really a rebuttal. sorry not trying to start an argument.

im interested to see a response to the basket. i thought all the parts were custom tooled for the woofer. another poster said the basket is not custom tooled and was made by another company

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

There is no had to, they tooled that basket with no vents and designed it that way on purpose. Nick has been working on this thing for years, so anything that you see on it was done because it was better than other solutions that he tried for this particular driver //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Umm, no. Sorry to inform you that basket was not tooled by Nick. It is a standered PRO audio basket that was tooled about 20 years ago by Rola. It is availble from 10" to 21". The 10" will not bolt up to the same motor as the 12" and up. Don't get me wrong, it is a good strong basket. It is not used to often for car audio. The only other issue is that the basket has no venting which it looks like Nick took care of that issue.

these two posts

 

[IA2 10+ year member]

The basket is not tooled by us. HOWEVER, there were custom parts we tooled to make the basket work for us. That basket is one of the main reasons these woofers took so long to be released. It would not be cost efficient for us at all to produce our own basket at this point, but we did not want to use the same basket everyone else seems to use.......that answer your question?

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

The basket is not tooled by us. HOWEVER, there were custom parts we tooled to make the basket work for us. That basket is one of the main reasons these woofers took so long to be released. It would not be cost efficient for us at all to produce our own basket at this point, but we did not want to use the same basket everyone else seems to use.......that answer your question?

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[IA2 10+ year member]

21" vs 12"

 

[IA2 10+ year member]

thought I would post those new pics for S**Ts and giggles

 

[Incriminator 10+ year member]

so what is the rebuttal for the basket statement?

No rebuttal at all! It is made to be prosound basket, but there is so many things wrong with it I knew no one in car audio would ever use it. Every basket from 10 to 21" is different - different mounts, different spider sizes, and on and on. Which makes it a pain to engineer, but we did it. Everything is tooled except the basket - spider spacer rings, cones, terminals, motor top plate, motor bottom plate, spiders, etc. You name it we made it, except the basket! I did tell Jacob we tooled it all and we pretty much did. I had told Josh we would never use a 4 spoke or 12 spoke again - every week a new company pops up for a year or so with the same old crap then runs home and there website is deleted, in this business you have to be different and you have to be bold, plain and simple. The days of being a top car audio company and looking like ever one else is over. If its different we are going to do it! Hints - "No Chrome, No Carbon Fiber, No BS!! Period..." concept. And this applies to everything not just woofers.

Thanks,

Nick

P.S. Anyone wanna take bets on who will steal our basket first for there company? I mean after all I've did all the work //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Isn't reverse engineering great!

 

[thunder9500 10+ year member]

21" vs 12"

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lol. sorry didnt mean to start any shit with ya. as you might know i was quite a big fan of my 20.1 before i sold it. good shit no doubt, and the company is legit.

but anyways, can i get some insight on this?:

when nick says "1500wrms"...is that just a thermal rating or mechanical as well?
im assuming if its an extremely conservative rating, hes talking about thermal and mechanical (ie, has some stiff *** spiders etc)?

yes i know, its mostly box dependant, but im wondering if you put a 15" in a standard 4 cube box @ 32 (just a general recommendation for most drivers by companies for that woofer size) could you get it to reach xmax with the 1500w rating. or are they somewhat like the BTL (from what ive read) that you need to design around efficiency if your trying to max the woofer out with its rated 2k watts due to its stiff suspension.

Nick told me that the least amount of power youd want to drive one with is 800-1000 watts.
I asked him if my BX1500D Hifonics amp was adequate enough to drive a 15" DP in a Powered 4 Sound Snail Shell enclosure and he said it was.

but, now were stuck pondering...whats does "adequate" mean to him? lol
to me adequate means you can max out the sub with that power you have. i mean i can take a sub with a stiff suspension and not be able to get it moving very good, then swap a different sub with a softer suspension in the same enclosure and get it to bottom out. i like having control over the sub, without having to build a huge *** box to gain efficiency.

*yes, the freq played, is a big part of whether of not you will bottom out the sub. but im talkin about a daily application, where music varies, not a spl build where im burping not to far from tuning and not getting any movement //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[smd4life 5,000+ posts]

sects

 

[thunder9500 10+ year member]

lol. sorry didnt mean to start any shit with ya. as you might know i was quite a big fan of my 20.1 before i sold it. good shit no doubt, and the company is legit.
but anyways, can i get some insight on this?:

Ok, they are **rated** at 1500. Your when he said your amplifier would work, he meant just that. You will be able to hook it up and pound like no other....BUT there is room for improvement.

I can tell you first hand that after 437 burps of 4000-4500 each....they still hold up and are as strong as they were on Day 1.

Nick won't ever endorse me on this, but I'm confident they could take a 2500 watt amp all day and never give you any issues.

 

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Ok, they are **rated** at 1500. Your when he said your amplifier would work, he meant just that. You will be able to hook it up and pound like no other....BUT there is room for improvement.
I can tell you first hand that after 437 burps of 4000-4500 each....they still hold up and are as strong as they were on Day 1.

Nick won't ever endorse me on this, but I'm confident they could take a 2500 watt amp all day and never give you any issues.

well i got a kx2500 whose birthsheet said 2960 @ 2 ohms. which is why i was asking about the rating. i was basically trying to get a comparison between a btl versus the same size dp. i know the btl's are rated for 2k, but mechanically and thermally can take a lot more. for example ngsm put a memphis 4k on a 15" one in an oversized box and it was used for daily (put up a 148+ on music). and from the videos i saw, it was playing just fine, no mechanical issues or thermal issues.

wish i could buy both and compare but thats not a financial possibility