I meant i dont believe the first post.. I believe ron paul would say that
he dont give a ****..
he dont give a ****..First of all.....wow....
It should be noted that Australia does not have a bill of rights (it is the only Western country that doesn't).
However, for the purpose of discussing the rights of Americans (since that is where most of you who have supported such comments are from), we might as well discuss what the United States was founded on and actually means. By the way, it doesn't take balls to say what Howard did....it takes ignorance.
So, the first and most important thing to recognize is the Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights.
The First Amendment:
The Fourteenth Amendment is also important:
This type of propaganda is what divides countries and causes war. In fact, all one has to do is read joeboxer's post to get an idea of what type of ignorant, hate-mongering pieces of garbage would actually believe something like this.
Of course, in the US there is a long-standing tradition of not following the 2nd sentence of their own Declaration of Independence. For those who forgot...
When someone moves to the US and is granted entry into the country, they agree to the Constitution and the laws based on it. They do not agree to behave the way that you think they should....they do not agree to be just like you. Perhaps if people practiced a little more tolerance (why does someone speaking a different language even matter to you?), people could get along more peacefully.
It should be noted that Australia does not have a bill of rights (it is the only Western country that doesn't).
However, for the purpose of discussing the rights of Americans (since that is where most of you who have supported such comments are from), we might as well discuss what the United States was founded on and actually means. By the way, it doesn't take balls to say what Howard did....it takes ignorance.
So, the first and most important thing to recognize is the Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights.
The First Amendment:
There are two very obvious impacts here: first, people are free to speak whatever language they please. To even suggest that someone should (or has to) learn English to live in the US is a violation of the first amendment. Although I think kicking people out because of their belief in Sharia law is a violation of the first amendment, even worse is the notion that someone needs to like or get used to a Christian god or get out of the country.
The Fourteenth Amendment is also important:
So believe it or not, those who move to the US from other countries have all the rights and freedoms to do and say as they please that you are so proud of for yourself.
Do you honestly believe that is right?
Hmmmm....I guess not if you're Muslim, in which case you will be spied upon while in your place of worship.
Guess what? The "OUR" in that sentence also includes the people who have immigrated to the country. It's that 14th amendment thing again.
This type of propaganda is what divides countries and causes war. In fact, all one has to do is read joeboxer's post to get an idea of what type of ignorant, hate-mongering pieces of garbage would actually believe something like this.
Of course, in the US there is a long-standing tradition of not following the 2nd sentence of their own Declaration of Independence. For those who forgot...
When someone moves to the US and is granted entry into the country, they agree to the Constitution and the laws based on it. They do not agree to behave the way that you think they should....they do not agree to be just like you. Perhaps if people practiced a little more tolerance (why does someone speaking a different language even matter to you?), people could get along more peacefully.
Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist and does not believe in (nor would he say) 99% of what Howard did. This is plain as day in almost every speech, interview, and media release he has done.
It is bullshit. Utterly, and completely.
You know...you are on the internet....you could look something like this up and actually make an intelligent comment, right?
Australia has an almost 1:1 male:female ratio. According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, there were 99 males for every 100 females as of 2004.
4runnercrazy
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$20 bucks says bush wants to say it just all the ******* that wont let him
1000% agreed but I had my chance to get people to to google Ron Paul. Don't rain on my parade please. My point was in a VERY round about way is Ron doesn't tell you what you want to hear, he is very up front and TOTALLY lives by the constituation. It is time to quit voting for the lesser of the evil and vote for the one guy that wont take money from someone to get elected.....pretty friggin obvious who runs this country....it aint the president or congress or the senate.
Well, I agree that Ron Paul has some excellent and fundamentally sound ideas. Unfortunately, he is the opposite of what the American people have chosen in a President for as long as I can recall.
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ok, but what about illegals? you speak of those who are granted citizenship, who come in legally. those folks usually speak english (i believe they have to learn it), are sworn in on the bible and deserve some consideration.
true, at one time just about all of our ancestors were "illegals". and basicly stole the land from those who were here first. no arguement from me on that.
but, when we have to bend over backwards and provide all the PC bullshit for people who talk trash about this country, i believe we have a right to be angry. what happended to compromise? no other country gives in the way we do. and do it in such a ***** foot, i don't want to hurt your feelings way.
you have some valid points neil, no doubt. and some of what i quoted i don't agree with. i don't think a specific religion should be spied upon unless there is proof of wrongdoing. and has jim pointed out over at ssa, even radical baptists are scary. but when muslim is our primary adversary due to 911, everyone will single them out. human nature. and track record.
absolutely i believe that is right. when they don't give two shits about offending me or my culture, why keep worrying about offending thiers? one can only give so much without return. and too be honest, this is the meat and potatos of why i posted the original quote in the first place. bieng PC has gotten us absolutely nowhere, except deeper in a shithole. and with what as a return??
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bigbangtheory
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Dam Devil, you need to get out more, lol!
Maybe you should run for president. You just have to become a citizen first. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Maybe you should run for president. You just have to become a citizen first. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
DBfan187
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That is just retarded. Not all Muslims are terrorists. I don't see how he is even in power with saying that, I would not want someone that simple minded and stereotypical in office.
I really just wish there was no such thing as religion, it causes so many problems
I really just wish there was no such thing as religion, it causes so many problems
Actually, the US would need to change its laws first. You have to be born in the US (not naturalized) to run for President. Mind you, there are some Californians trying to change that law because they think that Arnold Schwarzenegger deserves a chance at the US Presidency.
Kent, this conversation has nothing to do with illegals. It is completely about immigrated people. Illegals have no rights one way or the other in the US except for the right to a fair immigration application.
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arnold as president?? lol, "get in da chopper"!!
but for real, why not? maybe the laws do need changed as far as that aspect goes.
i disagree about the article and illegals. while they aren't spelled out, australia doesn't have mexico as a border country. and in the US, some people consider illegals to have more rights then natural citizens. so, IMHO, illegals are indeed part of the immigration issue and some of the PC bullshit that has come with it.
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