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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

First of all my argument is not that it is an advantageous method over single subs. You will not find evidence supporting this because its a given. It will usually be a better idea to go with single sub setups because it's less complicated to receive a better response.
Second, as I said, the opinion of an expert with different goals expressed in that opinion is as good as no opinon, because its obviously biased toward that goal. You won't find any empirical evidence on EITHER side. Read that again, its important. "YOU WON'T FIND EVIDENCE ON EITHER SIDE."

Because it's not an issue. It may be more complicated but who cares?

Every game ever invented is proof that humans like to make things harder than they have to be.

A flat response is a flat response. PERIOD and objective. The way you achieve that response is subjective. My point is that it CAN be done with multiple design drivers. And that too is a given. And fairly obvious.

And what is most important to realize about this argument is that it is SUBJECTIVE.

It's very likely that it would be much easier to achieve a flat response with a 10" and 12" RE XXX rather that 4 Lightning audio 10"s. It's very install dependent and the variables are too numerous to draw conclusions without analyzing the system in detail.

Thats why you won't see evidence on it. It's just as install dependent as the debate between ported and sealed or bandpass. No one can say indefinitely, that one is better than the other because the variables are to numerous to draw a valid conclusion.

If you admit its 'not advantageous', I do not understand why you deny its a bad idea. 3 years ago you did not do it to prove you could achieve positive results with a more difficult set of criteria, you did it because you did think it was advantageous to use multiple sized subs. Now, after 3 years, the closest you can come to admitting you were wrong in that regard is admit its 'usually' not a good idea, but that you succeeded, of course.

"Second, as I said, the opinion of an expert with different goals expressed in that opinion is as good as no opinon, because its obviously biased toward that goal."

This is just your round-about way of saying you cant find a reliable source that backs up your claim that its an acceptable method of achieving a flat response. And the reason for that is because any expert will know its completely unnecessary to squeeze an additional speaker size into a system to achieve a goal that one speaker size can easy accomplish. CAN it be done? Sure, heck you could divide those 2 octaves into 14 different passbands and run 14 different sized speakers... but that doesn't make it a good idea in any way shape or form.

Cheers.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

If you admit its 'not advantageous', I do not understand why you deny its a bad idea. 3 years ago you did not do it to prove you could achieve positive results with a more difficult set of criteria, you did it because you did think it was advantageous to use multiple sized subs. Now, after 3 years, the closest you can come to admitting you were wrong in that regard is admit its 'usually' not a good idea, but that you succeeded, of course.
"Second, as I said, the opinion of an expert with different goals expressed in that opinion is as good as no opinon, because its obviously biased toward that goal."

This is just your round-about way of saying you cant find a reliable source that backs up your claim that its an acceptable method of achieving a flat response. And the reason for that is because any expert will know its completely unnecessary to squeeze an additional speaker size into a system to achieve a goal that one speaker size can easy accomplish. CAN it be done? Sure, heck you could divide those 2 octaves into 14 different passbands and run 14 different sized speakers... but that doesn't make it a good idea in any way shape or form.

Cheers.

I'm glad you understand that, now just admit that "BAD IDEA" is your subjective judgement and you are good!

I will correct you on one point though. When I made my setup I did not believe that multiple size subs was necessary. I simply threw in the 13 cause I had it. When it turned out to sound better than most of the setups around me of course I assumed it was the shit.

Saying a method is a good or bad idea is a matter of perspective. Look at it this way. Because I got that 13 so cheaply it was actually a better idea in my situation because it allowed me to get almost double the volume and an adequate response. The other option was to just stick with the 4 10's. Thus between those to options, with the goal to maximize output, It was actually a good idea. It all depends on your subjective perspective.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I'm glad you understand that, now just admit that "BAD IDEA" is your subjective judgement and you are good! I will correct you on one point though. When I made my setup I did not believe that multiple size subs was necessary. I simply threw in the 13 cause I had it. When it turned out to sound better than most of the setups around me of course I assumed it was the shit.

Saying a method is a good or bad idea is a matter of perspective. Look at it this way. Because I got that 13 so cheaply it was actually a better idea in my situation because it allowed me to get almost double the volume and an adequate response. The other option was to just stick with the 4 10's. Thus between those to options, with the goal to maximize output, It was actually a good idea. It all depends on your subjective perspective.

I own 8's, 10's, 12's and 15's... does that make it a good idea to utilize all of them too? And in the original post about your setup, you clearly indicated you used the 13 and 10's to fill out the highs and lows, the usual flawed logic people who try your idea contemplate. As for 'good or bad idea' being subjective, if you want to call having way more downsides than upsides, and creating a situation where you would have been better off selling the 10's and buying more 13's, or vice versa.... okay, it was subjective. lol It was a 'bad' idea cot.

 

[michaellane 5,000+ posts]

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[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

oy!