Horns

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

Thanks for all the advice. I actually have a stock deck and am getting an eq but have not decided on which yet.

 

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

what amps are you running?

I'll be running a Power Acoustik A600-4HP 4ch. for the coax's and horns/rainbow mids and a Power Acoustik A520-2HP 2ch. for the Rainbow Germanium comps with my 3 Pioneer Premier 12's running off a A3000DB. I know, I know my amps ****, but I'll be replacing them with Audison or US Amps later on along with a TC-3000 15. I've kinda been running low on funds and want this to be my final front stage that I do for awhile. So basically what would you all rather do if it were you, add a set of horns or another Germanium mid? The other thing is that I would rather have both mids running as midrange other than one running as midbass and the other as midrange. Would doing that take a lot away from the overall SQ?

 

[LoudCrownVic 5,000+ posts]

Probably better to spend your money on a nice deck... Having a stock deck is going to kill your sq alot in the first place. Not much good processing equimpment is going to do for a sloppy source unit, imo especially the Ford ones.

 

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

I actually have a 2006 Suzuki Grand Vitara now and it sounds pretty decent with my focals, I was also thinking about getting an LC8 depending on how the Germaniums sound.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

its all about preference. every1 will have their own comment about everything. sum ppl will say horns sound great, others will say they ****. my comment is they ****.

And I'm going to go ahead and state right now that you have never, ever, heard a set of properly setup horns.

In which case the horns didn't ****...the installation and tuning did.

if u were to compare a horn to a component without using anything like an eq, which will sound better? hands down i would prefer the components

WTF kind of question is that? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Anything not setup properly will sound bad. I fail to see how you conclusively proved anything other than your idiocy.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I want to get very loud and I hear horns can help me do that. I currently have some focals for my frontstage and focals for rear fill but I'm buying some Rainbow Germaniums soon with some rainbow coax's. Would these make my setup louder and not ruin the sq? These are the 2 I'm planning on buying
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-4-5-IN-TITANIUM-HORN-TWEETERS-500-W-FREE-KIT-4060_W0QQitemZ270022267483QQihZ017QQcategoryZ14943QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-TITANIUM-HORN-SUPER-TWEETER-800-Watt-FREE-KIT-6650_W0QQitemZ270022265469QQihZ017QQcategoryZ14943QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks for your input

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Those aren't "horns"...those are "horn loaded tweeters".

These are horns:

http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/products_page.php?id=cd2&type=horn

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

And I'm going to go ahead and state right now that you have never, ever, heard a set of properly setup horns.
In which case the horns didn't ****...the installation and tuning did.

WTF kind of question is that? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Anything not setup properly will sound bad. I fail to see how you conclusively proved anything other than your idiocy.

Horns are known for sounding a bit weird without any EQ'ing, but they are still workable. One member of ECA actually won a SQ comp using horns with no EQ, just level matching and good crossover settings! It is true that for an average installer a set of horns will probably end up sounding worse than components, but that's only because the crossover points on the comps are already set and you aren't having to control the response of the horn diaphram. So yeah, basically what squeak said.....

 

[kublkmax 10+ year member]

I would not worry about the horns get a great source unit instead you will be much happier. You are gonna have signal issues running this higher end speakers with a factory head unit. replace the head unit before you spend the money on horns. Also look at some processing. crossover/eq like the audio control dqs or dqsx. If you change your amps you may want to consider looking at Arc or Zapco. Zapco has got a set up that with their processor you don't need rca's which means no noise.

 

[yacob.naif 10+ year member]

Horns are known for sounding a bit weird without any EQ'ing, but they are still workable. One member of ECA actually won a SQ comp using horns with no EQ, just level matching and good crossover settings! It is true that for an average installer a set of horns will probably end up sounding worse than components, but that's only because the crossover points on the comps are already set and you aren't having to control the response of the horn diaphram. So yeah, basically what squeak said.....

i don't know many 'average' installers who do too many compression driver installs

great speakers, and a great install, yield great sound

doesn't matter if it's comp. driver loaded horns, horn loaded tweets, bullets, standard cannon ball tweets, ribbons, planars, woofers, or subs, if you don't know how to install it, it's not going to sound very good

i've never heard horns in a car, but i've heard them in home audio setups, and they're ****ing brilliant. and quite frankly, if squeak says that can sound good in a car, i have absolutely no reason not to believe him, he's one of the most experienced SQ-junkies on this board, and if he's crazy enough to install something that difficult in his car, i'm sure he's crazy enough to take it back out if it didn't sound as good as he says

 

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

I think I'm gonna get an LC8 to get a better signal and install the Germs by themselves first and see how they sound. I'll read up a little more on horns and if my setup isn't loud enough then I'll look into getting an eq and some horns or adding a Germ mid.

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

I would not worry about the horns get a great source unit instead you will be much happier. You are gonna have signal issues running this higher end speakers with a factory head unit. replace the head unit before you spend the money on horns. Also look at some processing. crossover/eq like the audio control dqs or dqsx. If you change your amps you may want to consider looking at Arc or Zapco. Zapco has got a set up that with their processor you don't need rca's which means no noise.

zapco has the reference dc's that have the dsp built in. all zapco amps as of 06 even the iforce have symbilink inputs.

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

this is a horn setup

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1612396&postcount=104

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1758287&postcount=117

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[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Your horns ****.

Your IDQ's ****.

Your install sucks.

You ****.

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Good to see you on the forums again //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

If you think horns ****, you have never heard a good horn install: period.

Cheers,

Neil

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

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