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[newusername 10+ year member]

I just think in the world there are certain moral lines in the sand that one doesn't cross even for laughs.
I'm not a big fan of Islam, but you would never see me mock a muslim about their faith.

Maybe the fact they **** sheep or camels in the desert, but never about their faith.

Why? Their faith is far game.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

I just think in the world there are certain moral lines in the sand that one doesn't cross even for laughs.
I'm not a big fan of Islam, but you would never see me mock a muslim about their faith.

Maybe the fact they **** sheep or camels in the desert, but never about their faith.

Blind faith is for the foolish. I mock those fckers all day long. Anyone who willingly would blow themselves up and kill others deserves to be mocked more than you blind christians. Today is your day, cause well...its Easter weekend.

 

[TannoH]

Thank you for the replies evryone, excellent posts.

I have to say that my Christian background gets the water a little cloudy, let me be specific. First MmatsDude, yes you're correct about the founding of the United States, but I think I was leaning more towards the Ten Commandments and the basic overall influence that Judaistic-Catholic-Christian ideals had on our nation from it's beginning, and still do today.

I feel as though much of our morality is 'helped out' by excerpts from the popular Christian bible, maybe that's just my perception? I would also bet that most US citizens you talk to would think that the bible plays at least some role in our laws and foundations, with the 'in god we trust' on all of our stuff.

To bring up some statistics to help me illustrate, I've read several places that Christians are still the vast majority of religious practicioners that make up the US, here is one source: http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions. This in mind, most of these citizens get their moral fiber from A.) Church, B.) Their parents, and C.) Established laws.

I feel that our laws overlap in many areas to not just the Christian bible, but many religious texts with guidelines of virtue. Take that away, and where do you start? How do you get people to be moral, is maybe what I'm asking?

As for me, my morality is based on a religion, but I have had years to refine it to be secular, to be outside of any religious influence, to just be a decent human being. I manage to be the best person I can be from completely outside of any personal/spiritual motivations, yes that brings me some personal gratification, but that it a side-effect, not the goal. The goal is the nature of being a good man, hope that's not too basic?

So look at it from the point of view of any religion, being that the religion has large influences on the behavior and acceptable norms of its followers. Could you found an atheistic state with a majority of completely secular people, and establish a moral code? I mean, you obviously could, but I think somewhere along the line you would borrow from the past, from religion...

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

jeez this has gotten long.
As a Christian the most interesting part of us humans to me is the fact that God created us in His own image. Now think about that, He created us like Him. So we have some God-like qualities (reason, blah blah blah), and God-like tendencies (self-righteousness, etc.). I totally understand then why some reject God, because that would make them feel like they are less-than when the Godliness inside is saying how great and wonderful they are all by themselves. its an interesting dynamic.

carry on

What are you talking about?

People who believe in god are the ones who think that they are so special that a god must have designed them.

I think I'm an animal who is no more special to the universe than anyone else.

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

Blind faith is for the foolish. I mock those fckers all day long. Anyone who willingly would blow themselves up and kill others deserves to be mocked more than you blind christians.

Well you know what they say....................

Opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

Blind faith is for the foolish. I mock those fckers all day long. Anyone who willingly would blow themselves up and kill others deserves to be mocked more than you blind christians.

blind faith is foolsh, but God never told us to be blind. He told us to trust Him. Why would God create something with such a wonderful mind to turn around and say "don't use it." Any Christian that thinks this way is lost. God wants us to find Him with our hearts, souls and minds.

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

Why? Their faith is far game.

It's call respect. Something you apparently lack.

You'll go far in life with that outlook. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I love how half of this thread consists of religious people using the good ol' scare tactic, "if you don't believe, you go to hell." I seem to hear that a lot as a reason as to why believers believe what they do..."I believe because when I die I don't want to go to hell." What a sorry excuse/reason to believe in something.

I honestly believe we as people create our own hell.

On another note, it is interesting how some view America with religion and all, yet when America was great we held onto simple values and helped beat back Nazi Germany. We get called weak or egotistical borderline evil yet we were smart enough so far not to fall into a Nazi type government.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif What if Germany won would they be the UN (United Nazis)?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

Thank you for the replies evryone, excellent posts.
I have to say that my Christian background gets the water a little cloudy, let me be specific. First MmatsDude, yes you're correct about the founding of the United States, but I think I was leaning more towards the Ten Commandments and the basic overall influence that Judaistic-Catholic-Christian ideals had on our nation from it's beginning, and still do today.

I feel as though much of our morality is 'helped out' by excerpts from the popular Christian bible, maybe that's just my perception? I would also bet that most US citizens you talk to would think that the bible plays at least some role in our laws and foundations, with the 'in god we trust' on all of our stuff.

To bring up some statistics to help me illustrate, I've read several places that Christians are still the vast majority of religious practicioners that make up the US, here is one source: http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions. This in mind, most of these citizens get their moral fiber from A.) Church, B.) Their parents, and C.) Established laws.

I feel that our laws overlap in many areas to not just the Christian bible, but many religious texts with guidelines of virtue. Take that away, and where do you start? How do you get people to be moral, is maybe what I'm asking?

As for me, my morality is based on a religion, but I have had years to refine it to be secular, to be outside of any religious influence, to just be a decent human being. I manage to be the best person I can be from completely outside of any personal/spiritual motivations, yes that brings me some personal gratification, but that it a side-effect, not the goal. The goal is the nature of being a good man, hope that's not too basic?

So look at it from the point of view of any religion, being that the religion has large influences on the behavior and acceptable norms of its followers. Could you found an atheistic state with a majority of completely secular people, and establish a moral code? I mean, you obviously could, but I think somewhere along the line you would borrow from the past, from religion...

WTF is all this shit...

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[newusername 10+ year member]

TannoH, you are still assuming that the religion came before the morales.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

Well you know what they say....................
Opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one.

Thats correct you are an ******* and I have an *******. No where in my post was an opinion...please dont type anymore, youre looking dumber every post.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

It's call respect. Something you apparently lack.
You'll go far in life with that outlook. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

What do you mean respect?

Do you respect my political affiliations?

You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand because it makes you uncomfortable.

 

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WTF is all this shit...
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For those that didnt understand Mmatsdude and TannoH have been replying back and forth blowing eachothers dicks in this thread.

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

What do you mean respect?
Do you respect my political affiliations?

You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand because it makes you uncomfortable.

How could I respect you political affiliations are when I don't even know what they are? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

You're being a tool on purpose right?

Even if I didn't respect your PA, I would respect your right to having them.

You would never hear me bagging on you personally religious beliefs, no matter what they are.

As far as it making me feel uncomfortable, that's laughable. I don't care one bit if you believe in any religion, or if you're an atheist. That's your personal choice.

I just think posting threads on an internet forum belittling any religious belief is just lame as I've already stated.

JMO and feedback.

Carry on!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

Thats correct I am an *******.

edited for literary accuracy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif