Gentleman, The President of the United States

The really sad part is, those businesses who employ illegals wouldnt even go out of business if we made them start employing only legal citizens, they would merely have to raise prices in order to offset the higher overhead paid out. Its the consumer who would feel it in their pocketbook, something American's seem unwilling to do, even knowing it would help stimulate the economy and create a lot of new jobs. Obama is scrambling to find new ideas to increase jobs in this country... how about kicking out all the non-citizens taking jobs. Any time this idea is mentioned, people scream businesses would die, again apparently forgetting the most basic law of our economy, supply and demand. Im not even a financial expert, why is it I can figure that problem out while all our politicians and financial experts muck around in speculation based off of nonsensical claims? I think its politically motivated, the Dems want the hispanic vote and the Reps are afraid of being made to look like racists. Pathetic.
Everything is politically motivated, not really for the good of the country.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003265139_imprices19.html

"You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.

The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price."

"Since higher-skilled workers earn more than less-skilled ones, Chiswick said, the "illegal share" of construction labor costs — and, by extension, the wages illegal workers receive — will be smaller than their numbers would suggest. But even if illegal workers make only half as much as legal workers, that would work out to about $5,000, or about 1.6 percent of that "typical" home's sale price.

If the supply of illegal workers were cut off, wages for those low-skilled jobs presumably would have to rise enough to attract legal workers into them. If, hypothetically, wage levels rose by a third, that would either add around $1,600 to the cost of the typical house or shave half a percentage point off the builder's 12 percent average profit margin."

 
Keep giving tax breaks to huge companies that ship the middle income jobs away overseas. When was the last time you had to call customer service with Dell, DirecTv, Sirius/xm, AT&T, Dish Network? Just to name a few that I know of. Our Great nation is hurting and its not just because of illegals, or dems or Rep. This has been going on for many years, I think it all revolves around greed.

 
Keep giving tax breaks to huge companies that ship the middle income jobs away overseas. When was the last time you had to call customer service with Dell, DirecTv, Sirius/xm, AT&T, Dish Network? Just to name a few that I know of. Our Great nation is hurting and its not just because of illegals, or dems or Rep. This has been going on for many years, I think it all revolves around greed.
Middle class tech/service jobs are outsourced, labor and low skilled trade gets sourced with illegal labor, add to that H1b's visa's, manufacturing all going overseas, etc, etc

I have a pretty bleak view of the future of employment opportunities here. I understand its smart business and needs to be done to compete but it bones the US citizen. I don't really see a fix for it unless American's are willing to take a 50% paycut for any job they perform. There are people from other nations that don't have the regulations and will do the work for much less than what we have come to think is acceptable for our time/work.

cliffs: we're fukt

 
Creation of new jobs = take away jobs from illegals?.

more like slow down american companies from having the goods MFGd in China

Our government is not helping local economy's in the slightest bit....

Our economy will never get better as long as unemployment is up

and mfg is down..Honestly we are never going to be what we once

were,a superpower of industrial might -

 
more like slow down american companies from having the goods MFGd in ChinaOur government is not helping local economy's in the slightest bit....

Our economy will never get better as long as unemployment is up

and mfg is down..Honestly we are never going to be what we once

were,a superpower of industrial might -
we're pretty much just the police for the rest of the world now....america doen't make anything but RV's these days.

 
Keep giving tax breaks to huge companies that ship the middle income jobs away overseas. When was the last time you had to call customer service with Dell, DirecTv, Sirius/xm, AT&T, Dish Network? Just to name a few that I know of. Our Great nation is hurting and its not just because of illegals, or dems or Rep. This has been going on for many years, I think it all revolves around greed.
Ive worked for some companies who were forced to ship jobs over seas. Hell, my job was shipped over seas. The problem isn't 'greed'. You say greed, they say keeping costs to a point where those American owned companies can stay competitive in the ever increasing world economy. Its not really greed to make changes that keep the company in business, rather than staying with US labor that drives manufacturing costs to the point they can no longer compete with foreign companies also vying for the same global market share.
The ultimate problem is currency value differences. Lets say a Chinese worker can earn a realistic living while earning $5 a day (just tossing that number out there, too lazy to look up actual currency exchange rates). We hear all the time about Indian and Chinese workers making a tiny fraction of what would be considered a livable wage in this country. Think those workers go home and eat nothing? Dont live in homes? Dont own vehicles or have expendable income? They do. People tend to think 'wow $5 a day, how do they live!' when the truth is $5 a day in that country is a good wage. When their wage is translated into American currency and compared to an American cost of living, it looks impossibly low. But, again, in their native country that might be a rather healthy income. So, as I said, the problem is in currency exchange rates. 20 years ago everything was 'made in Japan', but the currency exchange rate caught up to them too, and now its made in Malaysia, China, India, etc. Consider it a growing pain of globalizing economies. The US is simply seeing it the most substantially because we were really the first industrial superpower on the scene, so its the most advanced in this country. These problems will not go away until currency exchange rates stabilize, which tbh Im not knowledgeable enough in finances to under what that will take, or how long. But I do know the same thing will happen to China and India as their currency becomes stronger, and other countries with weaker currencies step up to fill the void.

One thing the US does have going for it is its such a large market that even foreign owned companies ship labor over here for logistical reasons. Take Toyota for example, we've all seen the commercials touting they are "American made". But there is still a catch there also, as those factories are generally just assembly plants. The parts are manufactured over seas, and then shipped here to be assembled in plants that more and more are automated (less actual employees). The jobs created by, and profit incurred by, actually making the raw parts (casting engine blocks, creating wiring harnesses, molding/stamping body panels, etc) is much greater than the final assembly. But assembling those parts here give Toyota the ability to claim 'made in America' to dupe less knowledgeable but patriotic Americans, not to mention avoiding major import tariffs placed on fully assembled vehicles. Its also logistically cheaper to ship parts here and then assemble them, than it is to ship fully assembled cars, and the majority of company profits from domestic sales go back across the ocean to Japan. Its a win-win situation for Toyota. Remember that the next time someone tells you they didnt buy a foreign made car, they bought an American made Toyota. Smoke and mirrors. But at least it does provide *some* jobs locally, which is better than none.

Okay I'll get off my soap box.

 
If you call that a higher paying job then your world/I made 45k last year part time while in school.
I too would like to know what job this is that you made that kind of money part time. people with 4 year degrees sometimes struggle to make that kind of money.

 
I too would like to know what job this is that you made that kind of money part time. people with 4 year degrees sometimes struggle to make that kind of money.
It either an outright lie, or at best an exception to the rule, not the norm he claims it to be. Seems just like an opportunity to brag while trying to fit the topic of the thread to me, but Im just guessing. If he really believes $45k for a part time job while going to school is normal, he cant possibly be smart and experienced enough in the real world to earn that kind of coin. Unless maybe dad owns the company.

 
I too would like to know what job this is that you made that kind of money part time. people with 4 year degrees sometimes struggle to make that kind of money.
Sorry guys, I got busy at work.

Well Last year I was doing government security for Honeywell. Since then HW laid off EVERYBODY. (They sent all the work to Malaysia, Mexico and China.) So the effects where felt across the state as a few plants shut down and I switched companies. I cannot disclose my new employer. I am not making the same amount as I did before all this went down, which sucks but oh well, I just budget better.

 
It either an outright lie, or at best an exception to the rule, not the norm he claims it to be. Seems just like an opportunity to brag while trying to fit the topic of the thread to me, but Im just guessing. If he really believes $45k for a part time job while going to school is normal, he cant possibly be smart and experienced enough in the real world to earn that kind of coin. Unless maybe dad owns the company.
it's far easier to employ your useless kid, and overpay him/her, than it is to pay off their credit cards + interest.

 
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