Evil-ution

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Tumors and their treatment is very interesting. My friend's mom had some sort or cryo treatment on one that showed some good results but ultimately is was too little too late. Nevertheless it was pretty fascinating hearing how it all worked, and instead of treating her whole body with chemo they injected it directly into the tumor if I remember correctly.

Cryotherapy is very promising. Whats astounding is that it's so simple. We've been doing it for decades with warts. They are killing the tumor by injecting it with liquid nitrogen. Was it a brain cancer? I haven't heard of them using Cryotherapy extensively for brain tumors yet. Mainly prostate and breast cancers. I have a few journal subscriptions but I can't read them all! lol

 

[ahole-ic]

To my knowledge no one here has said it is fact..if it was it would be a law not a theory.
You are starting to run in circles here. You see where this is going? It is a very long and drawn out troll by you on this topic.

For the troll I have to say a successful troll is successful. As for you "points" I hope you are not seriously taking what you say as "fact" or "true" to the extent that you make them out to be.

Is there a possibility of what several scientists think about evolution is wrong? yes. That is a part of science. Once they are proven/shown it is wrong a new altered theory emerges and takes it place. Much like how the theory of a flat world was altered over time.

If disagreeing and being able to use good logic to back that up is a troll then so be it. I realize you want to silence me because you don't agree, but seriously what do you think you're doing here? Do you think you're proving anything? Do you think you've poked some hole in what I've said? Do you think you can redefine the topic now? I'm replying to the OP as he intended. You have no reason to post what you did other than to squelch opposition.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Assuming the mutation will survive natural selection. You see you have a huge leap you are making which is why i made my last post. The fact that these things change and creatures have anomolies is not in question. The fact that everything came from 1 organism and through millions of years of mutations it created the entire population of the earth... that is a stretch. The fact that mutations can happen, does not necessarily mean that. I am not arguing for intelligent design. I am just stating the obvious here that there is a huge assumption that because these mutations occur that, that must mean everything came from a single organism millions and millions of years ago. What if there were more than one? That totally disproves darwin's theory of evolution. It doesn't mean mutations don't occur and the science pertaining to it is wrong. It simply means that what you think you know as total fact right now, isn't.... and your arrogance is unwarranted.

First, stop calling it Darwin's theory of evolution. We all know Darwin was off on several topics. If you think the current theory of evolution is exactly the same as posited by Darwin you are WAY misinformed.

Second. Wrong. The theory of evolution DOES NOT necessitate that all life came from the exact same organism. The theory has lots of room to suggest life could've emerged several times. That's irrelevant. Fact is Multicellular things came from single celled things. The theory serves to suggest that a rabbit didn't appear out of a pool of slime

 

[ahole-ic]

First, stop calling it Darwin's theory of evolution. We all know Darwin was off on several topics. If you think the current theory of evolution is exactly the same as posited by Darwin you are WAY misinformed.
Second. Wrong. The theory of evolution DOES NOT necessitate that all life came from the exact same organism. The theory has lots of room to suggest life could've emerged several times. That's irrelevant. Fact is Multicellular things came from single celled things. The theory serves to suggest that a rabbit didn't appear out of a pool of slime

It's very difficult to hit a moving target. Well played sir.

Please post what the current theory is, since literally everywhere a person may search leads them to darwin.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

You can look at what I said to holic, or you can troll yourself. Frankly it's much more fun to watch your troll attempts than to shut them down.

I've been reading along this whole time. No where did I see you explain the "secret meaning" behind your oh so obvious insult. Try again, and provide some proof this time.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

Life is way too short to be spent arguing with eCrack guys, you will never win. Just put him on ignore and call it a day.

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

Not brain, I believe it was liver. From what I remember it was the size of a softball and shrunk to about baseball size. It's been a few years but I went with them to Milwaukee a few times for her treatments.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

It's very difficult to hit a moving target. Well played sir.Please post what the current theory is, since literally everywhere a person may search leads them to darwin.

Darwin's observations were the basis for much of evolution theory but quite a few of his idea were proved to need revision. The theory of evolution is an entire field not just one or 2 sentences. That's like asking someone to teach you everything about astronomy in one statement. The discrepancy between your opinions and mine is that I've devoted a significant proportion of my life to observing the postulates of evolution at work. You think its just some big guess to explain the origin of everything in the same category as religion. I've tried to give you a general outline of evolution and you seem to go off on other arbitrary tangents to invalidate the entire theory.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

It's very difficult to hit a moving target. Well played sir.Please post what the current theory is, since literally everywhere a person may search leads them to darwin.

Of course it will lead to Darwin. He was the first person to document his findings and make the "assumptions" at evolution. That is no secrete.

As for the current theory there are several. That is part of science in itself. While there may be several theories they derived from the same origin and all though it may not seem like it, they are all working in the same direction. They may find things non of us can imagine. They may find nothing. Only time will tell.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Not brain, I believe it was liver. From what I remember it was the size of a softball and shrunk to about baseball size. It's been a few years but I went with them to Milwaukee a few times for her treatments.

Those are some pretty good results! I'm currently frustrated by my aunts tumor. She has lung cancer, metastasized to her brain, grade 4. About 8cm diameter. They won't operate until it shrinks. Problem is metastatic brain tumors RARELY respond to radiation.

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

Sorry to hear, wish her and your family the best.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Sorry to hear, wish her and your family the best.

Thanks, yeah I don't know how it will work out till they see how it reacts to the treatment. To be honest, I don't care for her neurologist.

 

[ahole-ic]

Darwin's observations were the basis for much of evolution theory but quite a few of his idea were proved to need revision. The theory of evolution is an entire field not just one or 2 sentences. That's like asking someone to teach you everything about astronomy in one statement. The discrepancy between your opinions and mine is that I've devoted a significant proportion of my life to observing the postulates of evolution at work. You think its just some big guess to explain the origin of everything in the same category as religion. I've tried to give you a general outline of evolution and you seem to go off on other arbitrary tangents to invalidate the entire theory.

You can't just insult someone, deem yourself credible and move on. If darwin's theory of evolution is not currently the theory that is valid, you could link me to one that is. There has to be somewhere that the theory you follow is clearly depicted. I'm not trying to suggest that you lay out every little caveat nor did I elude to that. A theory can be summed up relatively quickly, as they do with almost anything. The premise of it is stated. That's not an unreasonable expectation since your OP invited questions. How can anyone question it if they aren't given access to it? So my request is not unreasonable as you stated. I'm not asking for everything you know. You stated that darwin's theory isn't the standard anymore. I asked what is. It should not be difficult to answer. Let's be reasonable.

 

[ahole-ic]

Of course it will lead to Darwin. He was the first person to document his findings and make the "assumptions" at evolution. That is no secrete.
As for the current theory there are several. That is part of science in itself. While there may be several theories they derived from the same origin and all though it may not seem like it, they are all working in the same direction. They may find things non of us can imagine. They may find nothing. Only time will tell.

I'd like to see them. Don't "of course" me like that was a known. Nobody stated it yet. There should be some clear summations of what each entails. That's all I'm asking for. That is a reasonable request. If it is not, then a discussion on it is surely unreasonable.

 

[martiandancer31 10+ year member]

This amount of diversity was achieved in less than 1000 years solely through selective breeding. And you think the jump from a sponge to a human would've taken more than a couple billion years?

selective breeding - as in, people with some knowledge about how this stuff works went through specific efforts to achieve this result? As opposed to complete randomness?¿ Also, even though those two dogs look very different, they're still both dogs!!