IMO its not a true 13" sub. Just because of the extra mounting ring(other, most speakers have the screw hole IN the actual rubber part). The surround looks identical to those found on TC made subs. I bet it has the exact same cone area as a tc3000
Sexy speaker nonetheless. I might get one when they come out!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif