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ppi is garbage
Really? Would love to see your proof? Which Phantom models have you listened to?

I've heard the P1000.1 and the P900.4, both sound great and are tiny. I also like the JL XD amps, does that make me a "fan boy" of them too?

 
Care to inform me as to how that statement is a fail? You just compared them to SS and Maxxsonincs products... Which will get the job done but are nothing special these days... So there for in my opinion they are middle of the road...
I think the OP really needs to audition higher level equipment before getting so defensive.

 
Care to inform me as to how that statement is a fail? You just compared them to SS and Maxxsonincs products... Which will get the job done but are nothing special these days... So there for in my opinion they are middle of the road...
Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it? I said I wouldn't dump on any brand without hearing them first. I used SS and the others as examples. So, have you auditioned any of the Phantom series or not?

And I think you said they were "****", not "middle of the road".

 
Really? Would love to see your proof? Which Phantom models have you listened to? I've heard the P1000.1 and the P900.4, both sound great and are tiny. I also like the JL XD amps, does that make me a "fan boy" of them too?
That depends, do you flip out when some one says something unflattering about JL? I'll show you why they are crap after I find official specs. That way when they don't compare to others in same range you can't call me a hater.

 
I've been eying some steg lately. I hope they sound as good as they look.

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then of course helix and zed can't be left out as works of art either.

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hell even my DD is higher then SS and hifonics and I wouldn't dream of running DD on my front speakers.

 
That depends, do you flip out when some one says something unflattering about JL? I'll show you why they are crap after I find official specs. That way when they don't compare to others in same range you can't call me a hater.
I'm not calling you a hater. I'm challenging the act of dumping on ANY brand without hearing them for yourself. PASMag did a review on the 900.4 so, you might want to start there. There's a whole multi-page thread over at DIYMA with lots of good info including more than a few comments from Grizz Archer as well. I think the Phantoms share the same board with Polk as well so, you can compare those models.

 
I'm not calling you a hater. I'm challenging the act of dumping on ANY brand without hearing them for yourself. PASMag did a review on the 900.4 so, you might want to start there. There's a whole multi-page thread over at DIYMA with lots of good info including more than a few comments from Grizz Archer as well. I think the Phantoms share the same board with Polk as well so, you can compare those models.
Have I owned it? nope. I have walked into a dealer to listen to one on a sound board? yes. Still doesn't change the low build quality and cheap parts they now use.

The new Zed's have a pretty bad out of the box failure rating, to bad because they are pretty nice looking and sounding.

DLS has some attractive looking amplifiers as well.

 
Ya High quality to me is Tru' date=' Audison, Masconi, McIntosh....[/quote']
Can you hear any audible differences betwen those 4 brands? How about between a Audison and a Linear Power or between a Tru and a Alpine? For the prices being asked, I would hope a Tru, Audison, Masconi or McIntosh would sound better than just about any other brand.
 
Can you hear any audible differences betwen those 4 brands? How about between a Audison and a Linear Power or between a Tru and a Alpine? For the prices being asked, I would hope a Tru, Audison, Masconi or McIntosh would sound better than just about any other brand.
of course you can, it just takes all other peices of the install to be as high quality as the amplifiers. It also needs the install to be perfect. If anything they are worth the money just for the exclusivity and longevity that comes from the parts used.

 
I'm not calling you a hater. I'm challenging the act of dumping on ANY brand without hearing them for yourself. PASMag did a review on the 900.4 so, you might want to start there. There's a whole multi-page thread over at DIYMA with lots of good info including more than a few comments from Grizz Archer as well. I think the Phantoms share the same board with Polk as well so, you can compare those models.
Yes I have installed them at work actually....

 
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