Do Arsenals SQ = Assassin SQ

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

Hi I'm thinking about changing my Assassin for an Arsenal to gain smoe output. Do teh Arsenals sound as good as teh Assassin? I love this subwoofer, but want to either add another one or get somethign a little louder.

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[ctmike 10+ year member]

sq of the arsenal isn't quite as good as the assassins' but it is close and you will gain alot of output.

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

does that hold true at equal volume / output levels?

Would I be better off adding a second Assassin if I have the space then?

(assuming I will eventualy be able to get another one)

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

You would have to by a used one as the newer ones will probably be different...

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

You would have to by a used one as the newer ones will probably be different...

From my understanding of their frontpage they are only changing the basket on the assassin.

However I would probably buy 2 new ones anyways so I could get a voice coil config that will allow my amp to run at full power. (or buy a used one and a new amp).

Anyone know how to get ahold of AA I have some questions for them regarding their existing line of subs.

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

You would have to by a used one as the newer ones will probably be different...

From my understanding of their frontpage they are only changing the basket on the assassin.

However I would probably buy 2 new ones anyways so I could get a voice coil config that will allow my amp to run at full power. (or buy a used one and a new amp).

Anyone know how to get ahold of AA I have some questions for them regarding their existing line of subs.

I'm not really looking to save money by buying cheap woofers, I just think the Assassin sounds great and does not break the bank so why not get it?

Tde other subs im considering is the DLS Nobellim 10's and at $500 each they had better be at least twice as loud as arsenals and sound at least as good, or get as loud and sound twice as good //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

The Nobeliums probably won't be very loud at all. They are pure SQ. I would expect the Arsenals and the Assassins both to be louder. The SQ if properly set up should be barely discernable.

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

The Nobeliums probably won't be very loud at all. They are pure SQ. I would expect the Arsenals and the Assassins both to be louder. The SQ if properly set up should be barely discernable.

I heard they are as loud as a W6, which is louder than my Assassin, but probably not as loud as the arsenal.

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

helotaxi, so eh Nobelliums are not worth the cash? Less loud and same SQ does not sound good to me at all for $800 vs the AA stuff...

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Depends on what you really want. For someone going for the ultimate SQ, i.e. sealed box or IB install, conservative gains, etc..., they are spot on. If you are looking for loud with pretty good SQ, I would look elsewhere. If you weren't happy with the Assassins based on quantity of output, I don't think I would be looking at an SQ oriented sub. As far as a noted difference in quality of output, in the right enclosure, they would probably be distinguishable. In the anything else (ie the enclosure that might get you the output you're wanting) the difference would definitely not be worth the price difference especially considering that you would probably still want more output.

If the front stage is doing its job, the subs can really be considered an afterthought. You'll need them for full spectrum sound but they play such a minor role in the overall sound of the system. In the ideal setup they'll only be playing the bottom octave and a half of the audible spectrum. This is even less when considered as part of the normally used musical spectrum. If you really wanted to have your cake and eat it too, you could either do a small up front sub and then the SPL subs on the back or set up the front stage to play down to the 50ish Hz range comfortably and have multiple settings for the subs. Mellow for SQ and obnoxious for other times. There's a reason that Kicker L7s have been used in SQ title winning systems, and it isn't becuase they are hugely accurate...

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

I think I would be happy with a second Assassin, However if I could get similar output and SQ from a single arsenal then I would still be able to fold my rear seat up on the drivers side and still store crap in the back. Space is at a premium.

Have you heard both the Nobelliums and the Assassin? do the Nobelliums really sound 3 twice as good?

My front stage is doing it's job but I find with my current setup it sound better crossed at 80 htz on my HU than 60 htz, although I can go either way...

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

No I haven't hear the Nobeliums. How anything sounds is totally subjective anyway. I do however own several Assassins and I own several other SQ oriented subs. I'm the most pleased with the Assassins (I currently have 2 8s installed and I'm finishing the box for 4 of them.) For the price I don't see how anything compares. The Nobeliums might be more accurate in the perfect setup, but 3x? Very doubtful. My point is that if you want to spend the ton of money for the possibility that they might sound a little bit better, knock yourself out. But, I don't think you'll be satisfied that it was worth the money.